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The conversation probably needs to pivot to the members of congress. Many members are describing receiving death threats from other members of congress. Some ar

by ianai 6y ago

The conversation probably needs to pivot to the members of congress. Many members are describing receiving death threats from other members of congress. Some are yelling (without masks) at the capitol police because they're being screened at metal detectors and unable to carry their guns into the Congressional halls/chambers. It might help to read that a few times...it's as if one of your coworkers had circulated a literal "kill list" with your name on it and been stopped attempting to bring guns to work. This is not acceptable behavior and egregiously illegal.

mumblemumble 6y ago
Perhaps also back on the Capitol Police again? If I loudly refused to go through a metal detector at my local government building and tried to walk around it, I would (and should) be promptly arrested.
- true_religion 6y ago
  You aren't a member of government. It's actually illegal to arrest a member of Congress on their way to the congressional floor. Hypothetically, if they shoot someone dead on the steps, and then disarm themselves so they aren't a threat anymore, then the police must still allow them to go into Congress to finish their debate. Congress itself can self police, but it's immune to being controlled by the executive branch (i.e. the police). If you could just arrest Congressmen on their way to the chambers, then you would see in a close vote that some Congressmen will never make it to the chambers because the police "found" something on them (or a police dog smelled weed on them).
  - ianai 6y ago
    It’s illegal unless it’s congress doing the policing which is what they’ll do.
lettergram 6y ago
It’s legal for these congress men and women to carry firearms. In many states you can carry a firearm anywhere, openly. That’s because there are not federal laws baring that. These Congress men and woman were legally able to do this. It was and is illegal to stop an elected Congress person from entering chambers. I also am unaware of any clear and present danger from the representatives, did I miss something? Do you have a link to the threats? (Not a polarized story, but the real threats)
- virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
  > It was and is illegal to stop an elected Congress person from entering chambers I can't find any such law? > I also am unaware of any clear and present danger from the representatives, did I miss something Yeah you've been missing something all right
  - baumandm 6y ago
    US Constitution, Article 1 Section 6: "The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."[1] [1] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#toc-section-6- https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcri...
    - virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
      Haha, wow, treason and breach of the peace seem pretty salient here
      - ianai 6y ago
        “Breach of the peace “ is very obviously what the radical representatives are violating from definition. Note also that while they may not be arrested by the executive, the legislative branch absolutely does police itself. It’s one of those corner cases the last several years pointed out as a pain point. Edit-there’s talk of making it a 5,000$ fine per incidence on the news.

by ianai 6y ago

mumblemumble 6y ago

Perhaps also back on the Capitol Police again? If I loudly refused to go through a metal detector at my local government building and tried to walk around it, I would (and should) be promptly arrested.

true_religion 6y ago
You aren't a member of government. It's actually illegal to arrest a member of Congress on their way to the congressional floor. Hypothetically, if they shoot someone dead on the steps, and then disarm themselves so they aren't a threat anymore, then the police must still allow them to go into Congress to finish their debate. Congress itself can self police, but it's immune to being controlled by the executive branch (i.e. the police). If you could just arrest Congressmen on their way to the chambers, then you would see in a close vote that some Congressmen will never make it to the chambers because the police "found" something on them (or a police dog smelled weed on them).
- ianai 6y ago
  It’s illegal unless it’s congress doing the policing which is what they’ll do.

lettergram 6y ago

It’s legal for these congress men and women to carry firearms. In many states you can carry a firearm anywhere, openly. That’s because there are not federal laws baring that. These Congress men and woman were legally able to do this. It was and is illegal to stop an elected Congress person from entering chambers. I also am unaware of any clear and present danger from the representatives, did I miss something? Do you have a link to the threats? (Not a polarized story, but the real threats)

virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
> It was and is illegal to stop an elected Congress person from entering chambers I can't find any such law? > I also am unaware of any clear and present danger from the representatives, did I miss something Yeah you've been missing something all right
- baumandm 6y ago
  US Constitution, Article 1 Section 6: "The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."[1] [1] https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcript#toc-section-6- https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/constitution-transcri...
  - virgil_disgr4ce 6y ago
    Haha, wow, treason and breach of the peace seem pretty salient here
    - ianai 6y ago
      “Breach of the peace “ is very obviously what the radical representatives are violating from definition. Note also that while they may not be arrested by the executive, the legislative branch absolutely does police itself. It’s one of those corner cases the last several years pointed out as a pain point. Edit-there’s talk of making it a 5,000$ fine per incidence on the news.