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"It's unlikely it would even be laglly possible to compel them to do this." But then, at a higher level, look at the unilateral/collective censorship ("deplatf

"It's unlikely it would even be laglly possible to compel them to do this." But then, at a higher level, look at the unilateral/collective censorship ("deplatforming") that is happening right now... and being carried out in part by Amazon. None of the censors have been legally compelled to take any such actions.

xenadu02 6y ago
What you are calling "censorship" is a free market business transaction. There are many cloud services, colo facilities, etc. If Amazon chooses not to do business with you there are certainly other options. This certainly happens at the local level all the time: really toxic customers can get "fired" and banned from all the local movie theaters or all the local grocery stores. It is really no different online - some people just got used to living consequence-free on the internet. Wider society had no idea what the internet was at first then later didn't grasp the seriousness or impact the internet had. Fewer people hold such obviously disprovable beliefs now. The internet is just slowly catching up with how the physical world usually works. Neo-Nazi groups often can't find private venues willing to host their rallies, caterers willing to serve them food, etc. Newspapers refuse to run ads all the time. Broadcast networks don't hand over the microphone to everyone who demands it. If every newspaper in the country refuses to run your political ad that doesn't make it a grand conspiracy to censor you - perhaps you're just an asshole they don't want to do business with. RIRs are not regular for-profit businesses and operate under very different policies for many reasons not the least of which is there are no alternatives since the RIR controls your access to the internet within your region via IP assignments.
- apple_innocent 6y ago
  If the reason for the decision is objectionable speech then what term do we use. Anyway, it does not change the point of the original comment which is that these entities are collectively taking action based on objectionable material without any legal compulsion.
- im3w1l 6y ago
  It's pretty clear what trusting Amazon with internet routing will accomplish. The 73% of Republicans think the election was fraudulent - that basket of deplorable assholes will be routed straight to the nearest landfill. Any protocol which lets them do that will surely face a lot of opposition. "Only trust Operating Systems signed by us for your own security", "Only trust Apps signed by us for your own security", "Only trust routes signed by us for your own security", yeah I think we all know how that usually goes.
- redis_mlc 6y ago
  > Neo-Nazi groups often can't find private venues willing to host their rallies But calling people who are not Neo-Nazis "Neo-Nazis" makes you the asshole. It was the DNC that used antifa goons to burn US cities for 2 months, not Neo-Nazis. We know this is true because it took Pelosi 2 months to denounce the city riots, while 1 week to impeach Trump.

xenadu02 6y ago

What you are calling "censorship" is a free market business transaction. There are many cloud services, colo facilities, etc. If Amazon chooses not to do business with you there are certainly other options. This certainly happens at the local level all the time: really toxic customers can get "fired" and banned from all the local movie theaters or all the local grocery stores. It is really no different online - some people just got used to living consequence-free on the internet. Wider society had no idea what the internet was at first then later didn't grasp the seriousness or impact the internet had. Fewer people hold such obviously disprovable beliefs now. The internet is just slowly catching up with how the physical world usually works. Neo-Nazi groups often can't find private venues willing to host their rallies, caterers willing to serve them food, etc. Newspapers refuse to run ads all the time. Broadcast networks don't hand over the microphone to everyone who demands it. If every newspaper in the country refuses to run your political ad that doesn't make it a grand conspiracy to censor you - perhaps you're just an asshole they don't want to do business with. RIRs are not regular for-profit businesses and operate under very different policies for many reasons not the least of which is there are no alternatives since the RIR controls your access to the internet within your region via IP assignments.

apple_innocent 6y ago
If the reason for the decision is objectionable speech then what term do we use. Anyway, it does not change the point of the original comment which is that these entities are collectively taking action based on objectionable material without any legal compulsion.
im3w1l 6y ago
It's pretty clear what trusting Amazon with internet routing will accomplish. The 73% of Republicans think the election was fraudulent - that basket of deplorable assholes will be routed straight to the nearest landfill. Any protocol which lets them do that will surely face a lot of opposition. "Only trust Operating Systems signed by us for your own security", "Only trust Apps signed by us for your own security", "Only trust routes signed by us for your own security", yeah I think we all know how that usually goes.
redis_mlc 6y ago
> Neo-Nazi groups often can't find private venues willing to host their rallies But calling people who are not Neo-Nazis "Neo-Nazis" makes you the asshole. It was the DNC that used antifa goons to burn US cities for 2 months, not Neo-Nazis. We know this is true because it took Pelosi 2 months to denounce the city riots, while 1 week to impeach Trump.