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I appreciate businesses like Cloudflare that stay neutral and just provide their service. I don't want to have to think about the political beliefs of a CEO be

by um_ya 6y ago

I appreciate businesses like Cloudflare that stay neutral and just provide their service. I don't want to have to think about the political beliefs of a CEO before deciding to use a service.

grahamburger 6y ago
Not expressing an opinion on this either way, but I wouldn't say they're completely neutral: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/
- userbinator 6y ago
  The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. That just shows how dangerous the "if you're not against us, you're with us" mentality can be.
SV_BubbleTime 6y ago
This entire comment thread can be asterisked with “for now”. GoDaddy kicked off AR15.com with no reason at all, they were fine with the content... until the moment they weren’t. The problem has always been a TOS that is selectively and interpretively enforced. It’s just popular this week. > I don't want to have to think about the political beliefs of a CEO before deciding to use a service. ffs no joke! I was embarrassed for what Expensify did, and if my company used that service we would have dropped them in a hot second. IDK why “we’ll stfu and do our job” isn’t the default anymore.
- js2 6y ago
  > GoDaddy kicked off AR15.com with no reason at all No, not no reason at all: "In response to content complaints on the ar15.com website, our team investigated and discovered content on the site that both promotes and encourages violence. As a result, we informed the site yesterday that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another registrar, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy told the Washington Examiner. FWIW, ar15.com is hosted on AWS. GoDaddy was just the domain registrar. I gather ar15.com was temporarily removed from the GTLD name servers because they didn't move to a new registrar quickly enough.
- jeromegv 6y ago
  Shut the fuck up and do our job hasn't really worked well once the capitol was attacked, those people were organizing in public in many social media platforms (not just Parler!) and people working at those social media companies shut the fuck up and did their job. And then that happened. Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your business operate once the government is down? There has to have some limits somewhere. Yes we don't want everything to be political but obviously, there is a line somewhere, wouldn't you agree?
  - IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
    Belgium was without a government for years. No one really cared I think its possible to think of a world where dc simply goes on vacation and the rest of the country is just fine.
    - ajdlinux 6y ago
      Someone doesn't understand how parliamentary systems and caretaker governments work...
    - deleted 6y ago
      [deleted]
  - throw3848 6y ago
    I get your point, but technically Trump ia current goverment ;)
  - AnthonyMouse 6y ago
    > Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your business operate once the government is down? Let's dispatch with the second one first. Even if you bulldozed the entire city of DC and everyone who works there was permanently relocated to the North Pole by Santa Claus to make toys for little children forever, there would still be a government because there is a constitutional process for electing or hiring some other people to do it. So what should platforms do about this? That's too narrow a question. It's what should society do about this? Step one, arrest the people breaking the law. Violence and calls for violence are illegal. At which point it's not clear that we even need a step two, because then the relevant people are in jail.
- CryptoGhost 6y ago
  > This entire comment thread can be asterisked with “for now”. Which is true but its also important to not jump the gun so people can give coherent arguments for/against currents events. Take Amazon for example, there is significant internal pressure to run the company based on a specific set of (for lack of a better word) progressive values but at the same time there is also a big part of the company that is customer focused and puts themselves in their shoes to try and deliver results and the politics of the day is just noise to them. Who will win in a few years time ? Can't say and the future is still unwritten.
Meekro 6y ago
Cloudflare has been quite neutral for now, but there are communities of people who daily devote themselves to harassing everyone from Cloudflare's support team to the mayor of Sammamish, WA (where Epik, one of Gab's webhosts, is headquartered) to try to get Gab deplatformed[1]. I can only imagine how many of these emails per day Cloudflare's support team is deleting. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/GabWatch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GabWatch/

by um_ya 6y ago

I appreciate businesses like Cloudflare that stay neutral and just provide their service. I don't want to have to think about the political beliefs of a CEO before deciding to use a service.

grahamburger 6y ago

Not expressing an opinion on this either way, but I wouldn't say they're completely neutral: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

userbinator 6y ago
The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. That just shows how dangerous the "if you're not against us, you're with us" mentality can be.

SV_BubbleTime 6y ago

This entire comment thread can be asterisked with “for now”. GoDaddy kicked off AR15.com with no reason at all, they were fine with the content... until the moment they weren’t. The problem has always been a TOS that is selectively and interpretively enforced. It’s just popular this week. > I don't want to have to think about the political beliefs of a CEO before deciding to use a service. ffs no joke! I was embarrassed for what Expensify did, and if my company used that service we would have dropped them in a hot second. IDK why “we’ll stfu and do our job” isn’t the default anymore.

js2 6y ago
> GoDaddy kicked off AR15.com with no reason at all No, not no reason at all: "In response to content complaints on the ar15.com website, our team investigated and discovered content on the site that both promotes and encourages violence. As a result, we informed the site yesterday that they have 24 hours to move the domain to another registrar, as they have violated our terms of service," GoDaddy told the Washington Examiner. FWIW, ar15.com is hosted on AWS. GoDaddy was just the domain registrar. I gather ar15.com was temporarily removed from the GTLD name servers because they didn't move to a new registrar quickly enough.
jeromegv 6y ago
Shut the fuck up and do our job hasn't really worked well once the capitol was attacked, those people were organizing in public in many social media platforms (not just Parler!) and people working at those social media companies shut the fuck up and did their job. And then that happened. Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your business operate once the government is down? There has to have some limits somewhere. Yes we don't want everything to be political but obviously, there is a line somewhere, wouldn't you agree?
- IG_Semmelweiss 6y ago
  Belgium was without a government for years. No one really cared I think its possible to think of a world where dc simply goes on vacation and the rest of the country is just fine.
  - ajdlinux 6y ago
    Someone doesn't understand how parliamentary systems and caretaker governments work...
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- throw3848 6y ago
  I get your point, but technically Trump ia current goverment ;)
- AnthonyMouse 6y ago
  > Are you saying that staying silent is the answer once you have people organizing to take down the government? How will your business operate once the government is down? Let's dispatch with the second one first. Even if you bulldozed the entire city of DC and everyone who works there was permanently relocated to the North Pole by Santa Claus to make toys for little children forever, there would still be a government because there is a constitutional process for electing or hiring some other people to do it. So what should platforms do about this? That's too narrow a question. It's what should society do about this? Step one, arrest the people breaking the law. Violence and calls for violence are illegal. At which point it's not clear that we even need a step two, because then the relevant people are in jail.
CryptoGhost 6y ago
> This entire comment thread can be asterisked with “for now”. Which is true but its also important to not jump the gun so people can give coherent arguments for/against currents events. Take Amazon for example, there is significant internal pressure to run the company based on a specific set of (for lack of a better word) progressive values but at the same time there is also a big part of the company that is customer focused and puts themselves in their shoes to try and deliver results and the politics of the day is just noise to them. Who will win in a few years time ? Can't say and the future is still unwritten.

Meekro 6y ago

Cloudflare has been quite neutral for now, but there are communities of people who daily devote themselves to harassing everyone from Cloudflare's support team to the mayor of Sammamish, WA (where Epik, one of Gab's webhosts, is headquartered) to try to get Gab deplatformed[1]. I can only imagine how many of these emails per day Cloudflare's support team is deleting. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/GabWatch/ https://www.reddit.com/r/GabWatch/