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How? (Not a trolling question) Edit for clarity: How did the president give marching orders?

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offby37years 6y ago
If he actually said anything directly calling for violence CNN and MSNBC would have had that clip on repeat for the last week.
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afavour 6y ago
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- brodouevencode 6y ago
  And from the same speech "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
  - 7v3x3n3sem9vv 6y ago
    Spoken like a true mob boss. Imply violence, hostile takeovers, gaslight the entire nation about the election being stolen and no longer having a "real America" left if they lose and then sprinkle a dash of truth to fall back when the s** hits the fan. I'm exhausted of trumpers trying to defend an American traitor and downplay his actions.
    - abandonliberty 6y ago
      These are games they're great at playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g It's an amazing way to build a resilient, decentralized organization with no clear leader and plausible deniability. It also makes it great at attracting and indoctrinating members. Win! The downside is that your pawns may not succeed in executing your coup even when you've taken out all the roadblocks for them due to lack of organization and focus. Phew. For now. In any case, the US will continue to abdicate its throne and cede global power and influence to China as it has done for the last 10 years. The country that used to provide stability to the world has nearly half its population ready to condone a civil war. It's time to learn Mandarin. Turns out both democracy and Leninism have the same Achilles heel: the assumption of good faith and vulnerability to internal hostile actors.
  - FartyMcFarter 6y ago
    He also said: "You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore." "We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen." "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore" He can try to play it both ways, but the truth is that he added fuel to the fire he's been feeding for months.
  - afavour 6y ago
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    - brodouevencode 6y ago
      I mean if we're going to cherry pick statements then this is going nowhere.
      - FartyMcFarter 6y ago
        It's not cherry picking. Trump has been tirelessly emphasizing the same things in the months since the election.
supercanuck 6y ago
I'm going to assume you are serious, so there was a really good bestof on Reddit that explained the way Trump communicates very well. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/kq9rcu/trump_faces_calls_for_impeachment_over_georgia/gi2m7c0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/kq9rcu/trump_face...
- brodouevencode 6y ago
  If you expect me to read anything from r/politics with any level of seriousness...but aside from that... Okay, he lied a lot (A LOT!), and ultimately turned up the temperature in the room, but at no time did he say "go invade the capitol". In fact in the last speech right before the event he mentioned that "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." The key word being peacefully. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's been voted out. But let's tell the truth.
  - arcticbull 6y ago
    I mean, that's like saying: "C'mon he lit a match. Matches can't burn down houses, that's crazy talk. Look how small that fire is!"
    - brodouevencode 6y ago
      Okay, but let's set a consistent standard then: all the rioting and looting over the summer should be blamed on politicians who didn't condemn them and in actuality pushed protesting over COVID lock downs and the shooting of Steve Scalise is the fault of Bernie Sanders. All of which of course is insane and should not happen.
      - arcticbull 6y ago
        I don't remember Dem politicians lying for years about how the police had children locked up in pizza shops (Republicans get to own this now that they ran and had elected a full-on QAnon congresswoman, Marjorie Taylor Greene), how much police hate America, how much the police are stealing from you, how much the police want to destroy America, how the police are un-American, how the police are socialists trying to turn America into Venezuela. And then suggesting they take a stroll to downtown Seattle. You know, for some peaceful protest. Frankly if they had, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. I've watched a ton of Fox over the last few years, and what the Republicans and also very explicitly Donald Trump are saying, is genuinely terrifying. I wish the Democrats would speak out about how 0.7% of America is in prison right now - the world's leading jailer per capita, how the long-term recidivism rate is over 80%, about civil asset forfeiture turning small-town cops into literal highway robbers to fund their departments, about how private prison contracts have minimum occupancy clauses, about how socioeconomic dysfunction leads minorities to interact with police 7X as much as white folks. How police shoot 10X as many people per capita in America as in Canada. They didn't say a thing early on. If anything, some of this anger towards the police came from Democrats not saying what they need to early on. Not doing what they need to early on. From that perspective, I do believe Democrats share some of the blame.
tzs 6y ago
If you don't mind reading something in the liberal media, the Wall Street Journal had an article "Trump and His Allies Set the Stage for Riot Well Before January 6" that might shed some light [1]. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-his-allies-set-the-stage-for-riot-well-before-january-6-11610156283 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-his-allies-set-the-st...
- Balgair 6y ago
  Wait, the WSJ is 'liberal' media now? I thought they were as bejowled-old-conservative as you could get.
  - colejohnson66 6y ago
    Depending on which branch of conservatism you subscribe to, it very well may be. I’ve seen many conservatives heavily imply (or outright say) that even Fox is untrustworthy now that they dared say something negative about Trump. And even before that, Fox, RT, Breitbart, etc. were the “go to” conservative outlets. Never WSJ. Of course, my experience may not be yours.
  - scythe 6y ago
    I get the impression that `tzs is being sarcastic with that adjective.
    - tzs 6y ago
      Correct.

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If he actually said anything directly calling for violence CNN and MSNBC would have had that clip on repeat for the last week.

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afavour 6y ago

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brodouevencode 6y ago
And from the same speech "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard."
- 7v3x3n3sem9vv 6y ago
  Spoken like a true mob boss. Imply violence, hostile takeovers, gaslight the entire nation about the election being stolen and no longer having a "real America" left if they lose and then sprinkle a dash of truth to fall back when the s** hits the fan. I'm exhausted of trumpers trying to defend an American traitor and downplay his actions.
  - abandonliberty 6y ago
    These are games they're great at playing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P55t6eryY3g It's an amazing way to build a resilient, decentralized organization with no clear leader and plausible deniability. It also makes it great at attracting and indoctrinating members. Win! The downside is that your pawns may not succeed in executing your coup even when you've taken out all the roadblocks for them due to lack of organization and focus. Phew. For now. In any case, the US will continue to abdicate its throne and cede global power and influence to China as it has done for the last 10 years. The country that used to provide stability to the world has nearly half its population ready to condone a civil war. It's time to learn Mandarin. Turns out both democracy and Leninism have the same Achilles heel: the assumption of good faith and vulnerability to internal hostile actors.
- FartyMcFarter 6y ago
  He also said: "You don't concede when there's theft involved. Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore." "We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn't happen." "If you don't fight like hell you're not going to have a country anymore" He can try to play it both ways, but the truth is that he added fuel to the fire he's been feeding for months.
- afavour 6y ago
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  - brodouevencode 6y ago
    I mean if we're going to cherry pick statements then this is going nowhere.
    - FartyMcFarter 6y ago
      It's not cherry picking. Trump has been tirelessly emphasizing the same things in the months since the election.

supercanuck 6y ago

I'm going to assume you are serious, so there was a really good bestof on Reddit that explained the way Trump communicates very well. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/kq9rcu/trump_faces_calls_for_impeachment_over_georgia/gi2m7c0/?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=web2x&context=3 https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/kq9rcu/trump_face...

brodouevencode 6y ago
If you expect me to read anything from r/politics with any level of seriousness...but aside from that... Okay, he lied a lot (A LOT!), and ultimately turned up the temperature in the room, but at no time did he say "go invade the capitol". In fact in the last speech right before the event he mentioned that "I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard." The key word being peacefully. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he's been voted out. But let's tell the truth.
- arcticbull 6y ago
  I mean, that's like saying: "C'mon he lit a match. Matches can't burn down houses, that's crazy talk. Look how small that fire is!"
  - brodouevencode 6y ago
    Okay, but let's set a consistent standard then: all the rioting and looting over the summer should be blamed on politicians who didn't condemn them and in actuality pushed protesting over COVID lock downs and the shooting of Steve Scalise is the fault of Bernie Sanders. All of which of course is insane and should not happen.
    - arcticbull 6y ago
      I don't remember Dem politicians lying for years about how the police had children locked up in pizza shops (Republicans get to own this now that they ran and had elected a full-on QAnon congresswoman, Marjorie Taylor Greene), how much police hate America, how much the police are stealing from you, how much the police want to destroy America, how the police are un-American, how the police are socialists trying to turn America into Venezuela. And then suggesting they take a stroll to downtown Seattle. You know, for some peaceful protest. Frankly if they had, I'd agree with you wholeheartedly. I've watched a ton of Fox over the last few years, and what the Republicans and also very explicitly Donald Trump are saying, is genuinely terrifying. I wish the Democrats would speak out about how 0.7% of America is in prison right now - the world's leading jailer per capita, how the long-term recidivism rate is over 80%, about civil asset forfeiture turning small-town cops into literal highway robbers to fund their departments, about how private prison contracts have minimum occupancy clauses, about how socioeconomic dysfunction leads minorities to interact with police 7X as much as white folks. How police shoot 10X as many people per capita in America as in Canada. They didn't say a thing early on. If anything, some of this anger towards the police came from Democrats not saying what they need to early on. Not doing what they need to early on. From that perspective, I do believe Democrats share some of the blame.

tzs 6y ago

If you don't mind reading something in the liberal media, the Wall Street Journal had an article "Trump and His Allies Set the Stage for Riot Well Before January 6" that might shed some light [1]. [1] https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-his-allies-set-the-stage-for-riot-well-before-january-6-11610156283 https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-and-his-allies-set-the-st...

Balgair 6y ago
Wait, the WSJ is 'liberal' media now? I thought they were as bejowled-old-conservative as you could get.
- colejohnson66 6y ago
  Depending on which branch of conservatism you subscribe to, it very well may be. I’ve seen many conservatives heavily imply (or outright say) that even Fox is untrustworthy now that they dared say something negative about Trump. And even before that, Fox, RT, Breitbart, etc. were the “go to” conservative outlets. Never WSJ. Of course, my experience may not be yours.
- scythe 6y ago
  I get the impression that `tzs is being sarcastic with that adjective.
  - tzs 6y ago
    Correct.