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One option is to emigrate to the United States, driving up pressure on the engineers who remain. My near-term ancestors all left Germany due to poor wages and a
by jchallis 6y ago
One option is to emigrate to the United States, driving up pressure on the engineers who remain. My near-term ancestors all left Germany due to poor wages and a tendency for Bismarck to sacrifice draft-age men in wars, and while moving to the US helped their own status it also did a bit to increase pressure at home.
- 908B64B197 6y agoEU engineers should vote with their feet. That's the only way.
- joelbluminator 6y agoWont work. Big brother will import talent from Africa, Middle East, India.
- H8crilA 6y agoIt has been working for over a century up to today. What will change that it "wont work" any more?
- person_of_color 6y agoFAANG companies are filled with British/European refugees.
- PurpleFoxy 6y agoBut they don’t because having an average pay in Europe is still preferable to having a high pay in America.
- oh_sigh 6y agoI suspect you don't have any evidence for this claim. Looking at immigration numbers, a far higher percent of Europeans move to America than Americans move to Europe.
- SilasX 6y agoA higher percentage of software engineers, though, like the thread was asking?
- inflagranti 6y agoFor how long though? In my personal experience only one out of 5 people from Western Europe are still in US after 4 years, the rest moved back home.
- 2rsf 6y agoDo you have evidence for that claim ?
- randompwd 6y agoPre Brexit, there was > 500 million people in the EU with free movement between member states, most tech companies still sourced a substantial number of their employees from outside the EU - some even had majority non EU tech employees. The only jobs filled by locals were those which had artificial cap on employee numbers and local regulations(accountants/legal) Whilst some of these engineers were A+ level brilliant, most were mediocre and doing jobs that could easily be done by local talent. The benefits for companies doing this? - immigration visa tied to job and ability to lowball salary (as residence in host country was itself a major plus) thus ensuring salaries rose way slower than demand would otherwise have made them. The one off cost of Visa is nothing compared to the money those companies saved.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago'most were mediocre and doing jobs that could easily be done by local talent.' I think most people are mediocore, and doing mediocore jovs -thats ok Keep in mind that this allowed some compabies to afford half-decent engineers whereas they would nornally only be able to afford junior talent. Whether that works out to a net benefit is ofcourse debatable. I personally find that a lot on management of engineers in UK is shockingly inefficient. I dont kniw what its like elsewhere, but i recon average 'efficiency' is under 50%
- chupasaurus 6y ago> I dont kniw what its like elsewhere "Efficient management" is a meme in Russian IT industry.
- selimthegrim 6y agoIs it like “British scientists discovered...”
- chupasaurus 6y agoNah, it literally grew from managers bragging very often about how much efficient they are, even though the facts were showing the very opposite of that. I'm surprised "British scientists" meme has a good Wikipedia article in English[0]. P.S. Runet's memepedia Lurkmore redirects from "Efficient manager" to Stalin page. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_scientists_(meme) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_scientists_(meme)
- messe 6y ago> One option is to emigrate to the United States Not an easy feat. Most would be reliant on the H1B program.
- aaomidi 6y agoWhich is not an issue for people immigrating from Europe.
- messe 6y agoIn what way? Unless I've missed something significant the visa options for those emigrating from Europe to the US are limited. What options are there other than the H1B?
- mrkstu 6y agoSome paths are quota based by country of origin, so getting a green card is exponentially harder for a Chinese or Indian citizen than an Aussie, for instance.
- messe 6y ago> Some paths are quota based by country of origin Yes, but that has little effect on H1B visas. European applicants are in the same pool as everyone else. > getting a green card is exponentially harder Nobody mentioned getting a greencard, which is a problem in itself. Just a work visa. Which, if you're a European citizen, is dependent on a lottery. Yeah, it's easier for an AU citizen to get a visa (because there's a special program for them), but you haven't said why it's easier for an EU citizen to get one. Please back up your claim.
- mrkstu 6y agoYou quote me yourself saying ‘some paths’- I was deliberately excluding H1B and stating so.
- 2rsf 6y ago