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Trump impeached for 'inciting' US Capitol riot

19 points by vinni2 6y ago

prohobo 6y ago
I'm guessing this is to stop him from leaking info about COVID 19's origins, or his supposed final attack on Big Tech? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/us-report-covid-19s-origins-expected-say-chinese-army-grew-dangerous/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/us-report-covid-... https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-tech/trump-says-big-tech-is-dividing-the-country-after-his-supporters-attack-congress-idUSL1N2JN1QA https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-tech/trump-says-bi...
- briefcomment 6y ago
  Probably. I can't think of any other reason to want him to leave so badly a week before his term is over, especially when he has repeatedly been saying he wants a peaceful transition.
  - jcranmer 6y ago
    The biggest reason I can think of: the sitting president attempted to overthrow the lawful results of an election by inciting insurrection. That is the sort of "high crime and misdemeanor" that clearly falls in the remit of impeachment, and Congress has the ability and the moral duty to say that the president is not above the law and should face punishment for his actions, even if it is at the very end of his term. > he has repeatedly been saying he wants a peaceful transition I don't believe him. I don't think he has actually conceded that he lost the election yet (he hadn't as of last Thursday--his video was only "the closest he's come to conceding", not an actual concession). Some of the reports of last Wednesday have said that he was initially happy that the mob had invaded the Capitol, and I haven't seen any signs of genuine remorse. As far as I'm aware, he has yet to criticize any of his followers who had done actions such as break into and vandalize federal property, which he was oh-so-incensed about 6 months ago.
    - jimmydorry 6y ago
      Trump was calling for peaceful protest before the riot, and his final tweets (while continuing his message of 'stolen election') called for the protesters to go home and remember the day. Trump has since conceded and criticized the protestors that entered the building [1]. It took some concerted Googling to find a single source I could cite... even though I saw his speech broadcasted in the media. >"America is, and must always be a nation of law and order. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. I immediately deployed the national guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders." >"Now Congress has certified the election results, a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensure a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation." [1] https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/republicans-resign-democrats-talk-impeachment-aftermath-of-capitol-siege-121010800406_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/repu...
      - jcranmer 6y ago
        That's the speech I'm referring to... he doesn't actually quite concede that he lost to Biden. As some people have pointing out "a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20" could mean "my second administration" and not "Biden's administration." I realize that's splitting hairs, and I don't think that Trump is so clever as to rely on such a level of plausible deniability, but there are several among his supporters who will hold to that interpretation. And after he put out that video, he went back on Twitter to complain about election fraud, which rather undercuts his message.
        dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I realize that’s splitting hairs, and I don’t think that Trump is so clever as to rely on such a level of plausible deniability He might not be clever enough to come up with it, but not only does he still have staff, but Secretary of State Pompeo (after the election results were clear but earlier in the attempts to reverse them) actually said on November 10 in response to a question about the transition to the Biden Administration, “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.”
JoeyBananas 6y ago
> Earlier on Wednesday, Mr Trump called on his followers in a statement to remain peaceful. "I urge that there must be NO violence," he said, "NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind. That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for." If that is really the case, it sounds a lot like Trump was the scapegoat here. What do they hope to achieve by impeaching Trump when his term is almost over and punishing him for the actions of extremists?
- lttlrck 6y ago
  He said that today. One week later. It's great that he has said it but it doesn't undo what has happened.
  - briefcomment 6y ago
    Doesn't mean he has to be impeached at this point.
    - prohobo 6y ago
      I don't think there's a point in arguing about these things anymore. If people still don't get it, then it's unlikely they'll change their minds now. We're riding the wave whether we like it or not.
      - briefcomment 6y ago
        Agreed. I do think moving on from the Trump administration will give people a chance to be mentally flexible again. The last four years greatly incentivized unwavering convictions, on both sides, probably beyond what was healthy.
  - jimmydorry 6y ago
    He also said it hours after the protest (that turned into a riot).
- briefcomment 6y ago
stevespang 6y ago
Bullshit. He was not impeached. Only the house voted. And the Senate will not meet to vote before Trump leaves office, so stop posting BS Fake News.

19 points by vinni2 6y ago

I'm guessing this is to stop him from leaking info about COVID 19's origins, or his supposed final attack on Big Tech? https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/us-report-covid-19s-origins-expected-say-chinese-army-grew-dangerous/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/13/us-report-covid-... https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-tech/trump-says-big-tech-is-dividing-the-country-after-his-supporters-attack-congress-idUSL1N2JN1QA https://www.reuters.com/article/usa-trump-tech/trump-says-bi...

briefcomment 6y ago
Probably. I can't think of any other reason to want him to leave so badly a week before his term is over, especially when he has repeatedly been saying he wants a peaceful transition.
- jcranmer 6y ago
  The biggest reason I can think of: the sitting president attempted to overthrow the lawful results of an election by inciting insurrection. That is the sort of "high crime and misdemeanor" that clearly falls in the remit of impeachment, and Congress has the ability and the moral duty to say that the president is not above the law and should face punishment for his actions, even if it is at the very end of his term. > he has repeatedly been saying he wants a peaceful transition I don't believe him. I don't think he has actually conceded that he lost the election yet (he hadn't as of last Thursday--his video was only "the closest he's come to conceding", not an actual concession). Some of the reports of last Wednesday have said that he was initially happy that the mob had invaded the Capitol, and I haven't seen any signs of genuine remorse. As far as I'm aware, he has yet to criticize any of his followers who had done actions such as break into and vandalize federal property, which he was oh-so-incensed about 6 months ago.
  - jimmydorry 6y ago
    Trump was calling for peaceful protest before the riot, and his final tweets (while continuing his message of 'stolen election') called for the protesters to go home and remember the day. Trump has since conceded and criticized the protestors that entered the building [1]. It took some concerted Googling to find a single source I could cite... even though I saw his speech broadcasted in the media. >"America is, and must always be a nation of law and order. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem. I immediately deployed the national guard and federal law enforcement to secure the building and expel the intruders." >"Now Congress has certified the election results, a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20. My focus now turns to ensure a smooth, orderly, and seamless transition of power. This moment calls for healing and reconciliation." [1] https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/republicans-resign-democrats-talk-impeachment-aftermath-of-capitol-siege-121010800406_1.html https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/repu...
    - jcranmer 6y ago
      That's the speech I'm referring to... he doesn't actually quite concede that he lost to Biden. As some people have pointing out "a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20" could mean "my second administration" and not "Biden's administration." I realize that's splitting hairs, and I don't think that Trump is so clever as to rely on such a level of plausible deniability, but there are several among his supporters who will hold to that interpretation. And after he put out that video, he went back on Twitter to complain about election fraud, which rather undercuts his message.
      - dragonwriter 6y ago
        > I realize that’s splitting hairs, and I don’t think that Trump is so clever as to rely on such a level of plausible deniability He might not be clever enough to come up with it, but not only does he still have staff, but Secretary of State Pompeo (after the election results were clear but earlier in the attempts to reverse them) actually said on November 10 in response to a question about the transition to the Biden Administration, “There will be a smooth transition to a second Trump administration.”

JoeyBananas 6y ago

> Earlier on Wednesday, Mr Trump called on his followers in a statement to remain peaceful. "I urge that there must be NO violence," he said, "NO lawbreaking and NO vandalism of any kind. That is not what I stand for, and it is not what America stands for." If that is really the case, it sounds a lot like Trump was the scapegoat here. What do they hope to achieve by impeaching Trump when his term is almost over and punishing him for the actions of extremists?

lttlrck 6y ago
He said that today. One week later. It's great that he has said it but it doesn't undo what has happened.
- briefcomment 6y ago
  Doesn't mean he has to be impeached at this point.
  - prohobo 6y ago
    I don't think there's a point in arguing about these things anymore. If people still don't get it, then it's unlikely they'll change their minds now. We're riding the wave whether we like it or not.
    - briefcomment 6y ago
      Agreed. I do think moving on from the Trump administration will give people a chance to be mentally flexible again. The last four years greatly incentivized unwavering convictions, on both sides, probably beyond what was healthy.
- jimmydorry 6y ago
  He also said it hours after the protest (that turned into a riot).
briefcomment 6y ago

stevespang 6y ago

Bullshit. He was not impeached. Only the house voted. And the Senate will not meet to vote before Trump leaves office, so stop posting BS Fake News.