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Can you please explain why the tweets in the article are "not an issue"?

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colesantiago 6y ago
> Did you read the tweets that were mentioned in the article? Can you please explain why this is "not an issue"? Did you read the HN guidelines? > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. That tweet was in June, nothing happened, he most likely forgot about it, the other people in there are all irrelevant, probably less interesting to the public. Trump on the other hand is more dangerous as he spews and invents lies for everyone to see and we all know it. EDIT: The article is now flagged, proving my point. discussion over.
- sn_master 6y ago
  If your argument is that a speech isn't bad because "nothing happened, he most likely forgot about it" regardless of its content, intent and the authority of the person who made it, well, I'll leave it with you to think about what you just said. The article mentions plenty of other examples, such as tweets from Chinese state-sponsored accounts spreading COVID hoaxes, accounts of other convicted extremists and many others. But I think the same argument applies to them as well probably. That HN guideline's intent is to make the comments shorter by not asking a redundant question. Thanks for pointing it out, I shortened my comment exactly like the guideline said and removed the redundant question.
- sn_master 6y ago
  Well, its unflagged now, so I guess we can still discuss at least until it gets flagged again! 75 million people voted for Trump. Are we in a winner takes all society now? Trump lost, yes, but he still got a very substantial vote that gives anyone the right to listen to what their chosen political leader has to say. I also don't know if all of the 81 million Biden voters are happy to see the Ayatollah tweets calling death for america, or the China tweets saying the US invented covid and pushed it to china and the rest of the world, in english, straight targeting to the naive and gullible who'd fall for those rumors, including -sadly- some Americans. If he says something illegal (which he absolutely did last week), go ahead and put him on trial and impeach or even put him in prison using the law like any other citizen. I am all for that. But when he talks about less industry regulations, about the economy, about reducing drug trafficking and about our military, I do want to hear about that, at least as long as he is a free man by law and still has his 1st amendment rights. By kicking off moderate opinions into their own forums, these forums become breeding grounds for extremism. Most of Trump voters are against the Capitol events, yet it makes no difference when it comes to discussion, they all get labeled as extremists. Instead of a healthy mix of pro and anti Trump, those forums have nothing except pro-Trump and pro-extremism, because on other forums with intelligent people, like this one, there is nothing allowed except outright anti-Trump. This is not healthy. There is no contradiction in the article. It's not arguing for not banning Trump. You banned Trump because he incited violence against the US government, good! I am all for you! I felt sick to the stomach when I saw the capitol events and never wanna hear anyone supporting them. But, be fair and ban the leaders of other countries who are inciting violence against the US government too. The Ayatollah is directly responsible for thousands of US casualties and fatalities due to his very direct and very public role in funding and supporting the Iraq insurgency in the mid 2000s, and until now his Twitter account is full of very direct anti-US threats. Why should US companies employing Americans on US soil aid in the distribution of such propaganda to US citizens? What other country does anything like that in the world? Does Israel allow neo-Nazi newspapers to be printed and distributed on its soil? Or the Chinese Tweets in the article that were directly saying the US made the coronavirus and sent it to China in produce shipments, or murderers like Farrakhan and OJ be there and share their life like a musical celebrity with fans all over the world. I want Trump getting kicked out of Twitter to be a wake up call to clean up the platform from all sorts of extremisms, rather than a one-off hit that only makes tens of millions angry, frustrated and increases the divide amongst us. I bet you anything, Fox news would have been silent if Twitter kicked off all those others at the same time as part of a "anti-extremism" policy enforcement, rather than the selective targeting of one of the most hated (and liked, at the same time, by those 75 million voters at least) political leaders in the US.

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> Did you read the tweets that were mentioned in the article? Can you please explain why this is "not an issue"? Did you read the HN guidelines? > Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. That tweet was in June, nothing happened, he most likely forgot about it, the other people in there are all irrelevant, probably less interesting to the public. Trump on the other hand is more dangerous as he spews and invents lies for everyone to see and we all know it. EDIT: The article is now flagged, proving my point. discussion over.

sn_master 6y ago
If your argument is that a speech isn't bad because "nothing happened, he most likely forgot about it" regardless of its content, intent and the authority of the person who made it, well, I'll leave it with you to think about what you just said. The article mentions plenty of other examples, such as tweets from Chinese state-sponsored accounts spreading COVID hoaxes, accounts of other convicted extremists and many others. But I think the same argument applies to them as well probably. That HN guideline's intent is to make the comments shorter by not asking a redundant question. Thanks for pointing it out, I shortened my comment exactly like the guideline said and removed the redundant question.
sn_master 6y ago
Well, its unflagged now, so I guess we can still discuss at least until it gets flagged again! 75 million people voted for Trump. Are we in a winner takes all society now? Trump lost, yes, but he still got a very substantial vote that gives anyone the right to listen to what their chosen political leader has to say. I also don't know if all of the 81 million Biden voters are happy to see the Ayatollah tweets calling death for america, or the China tweets saying the US invented covid and pushed it to china and the rest of the world, in english, straight targeting to the naive and gullible who'd fall for those rumors, including -sadly- some Americans. If he says something illegal (which he absolutely did last week), go ahead and put him on trial and impeach or even put him in prison using the law like any other citizen. I am all for that. But when he talks about less industry regulations, about the economy, about reducing drug trafficking and about our military, I do want to hear about that, at least as long as he is a free man by law and still has his 1st amendment rights. By kicking off moderate opinions into their own forums, these forums become breeding grounds for extremism. Most of Trump voters are against the Capitol events, yet it makes no difference when it comes to discussion, they all get labeled as extremists. Instead of a healthy mix of pro and anti Trump, those forums have nothing except pro-Trump and pro-extremism, because on other forums with intelligent people, like this one, there is nothing allowed except outright anti-Trump. This is not healthy. There is no contradiction in the article. It's not arguing for not banning Trump. You banned Trump because he incited violence against the US government, good! I am all for you! I felt sick to the stomach when I saw the capitol events and never wanna hear anyone supporting them. But, be fair and ban the leaders of other countries who are inciting violence against the US government too. The Ayatollah is directly responsible for thousands of US casualties and fatalities due to his very direct and very public role in funding and supporting the Iraq insurgency in the mid 2000s, and until now his Twitter account is full of very direct anti-US threats. Why should US companies employing Americans on US soil aid in the distribution of such propaganda to US citizens? What other country does anything like that in the world? Does Israel allow neo-Nazi newspapers to be printed and distributed on its soil? Or the Chinese Tweets in the article that were directly saying the US made the coronavirus and sent it to China in produce shipments, or murderers like Farrakhan and OJ be there and share their life like a musical celebrity with fans all over the world. I want Trump getting kicked out of Twitter to be a wake up call to clean up the platform from all sorts of extremisms, rather than a one-off hit that only makes tens of millions angry, frustrated and increases the divide amongst us. I bet you anything, Fox news would have been silent if Twitter kicked off all those others at the same time as part of a "anti-extremism" policy enforcement, rather than the selective targeting of one of the most hated (and liked, at the same time, by those 75 million voters at least) political leaders in the US.