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At this point the existence of the UFO phenomenon is undeniable. The fact that congress attached to the covid relief bill that the intelligence services must pr

by avl999 6y ago

At this point the existence of the UFO phenomenon is undeniable. The fact that congress attached to the covid relief bill that the intelligence services must present a report of everything they know about ufos within a 180 days tells you that something is up and they are trying to force the hand of the intelligence service. I also find it interesting that since retiring Harry Read has openly talked about the existence of UFOs. Congress must force the government agency to immediately release all ufo related info to the public. The public has the right to know.

nickelcitymario 6y ago
> congress attached to the covid relief bill They did? Got a link? I tried a Google search but found nothing.
- brianskarda 6y ago
  https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relie...
  - nickelcitymario 6y ago
    Thanks!
- franksvalli 6y ago
  It can be found in the Committee Comments portion of the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2021 (search for "unidentified aerial phenomena"): https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligence-authorization-act-fiscal-year-2021 https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligenc... Via Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/
  - nickelcitymario 6y ago
    Thanks!
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
> I also find it interesting that since retiring Harry Read has openly talked about the existence of UFOs. This is the truly interesting point, you can question the material presented in document releases, but this is strange and obviously a clearly stated belief from someone well-aware of things behind the scenes beyond the knowledge of the general public.
diegocg 6y ago
Harry Reid funded the "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" with 22$ millions per year from 2007 to 2012 to research UFOs. And most of that money went to Robert Bigelow. Which happens to be friend of Harry Reid, is interested in UFOs and has donated money to Reid's campaigns (what a coincidence!) But the program was secret. Because, you know, aliens. And national security. Until its existence was revealed in 2017 - the year Reid retired from politics. I remember thinking how blatant and ingenious this corruption scheme was when I first heard of it. He gave money to his friends and even when it's publicly known nobody associates it with corruption because of "aliens"
- swebs 6y ago
  If its that open-and-shut, why hasn't he been arrested?
  - bhk 6y ago
    There's no law against a member of Congress introducing or voting for legislation that benefits friends or donors. If there were, they'd all be in jail.
  - ALittleLight 6y ago
    Because the legal system is designed and run by people in power and people in power aren't interested in prosecuting their own crimes.
jeffreyrogers 6y ago
> The public has the right to know. Why? Some of the UFOs are undoubtedly military projects. Making them public reveals their existence to other countries.
NationalPark 6y ago
I think we can pretty summarily dismiss all of this with, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Given that every inch of the developed world is now covered with high resolution cameras, and UFO sightings via these devices have suspiciously not exploded in number, it's pretty clear that these reports were misidentifications, lies, and counterintelligence operations. Would it be cool if aliens were hanging out with us? Probably. Is it happening? Almost certainly not.
- techdragon 6y ago
  And the finest in government scan-of-a-photocopy-of-a-photocopy documents such as the COMSECNAVGRU one definitely don’t count as extra-ordinary evidence... heck some of the documents are barely legible evidence at best!
- Pyramus 6y ago
  You are confusing two crucial things: UFOs doesn't mean aliens, it's simply unidentified objects. Unless you really do want to speculate about aliens ... > "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" The evidence gathered by David Fraser et al. is actually quite compelling. Definitly there seem to be natural phenomena that can't be explained by our current scientific understanding.
  - deeeeplearning 6y ago
    It's really not, its almost completely eyewitness based and regardless of their "expertise," eyewitnesses are almost completely worthless and certainly do not qualify as "compelling evidence" in the arena of Science.
    - King-Aaron 6y ago
      > almost completely eyewitness There was positive radar and flir data, along with multiple witnesses from their air group. Not 'almost completely eyewitness' accounts, which makes their observations rather compelling. My moneys on some actor - US or another state - having some kind of exotic aircraft that aren't on the books.
subsubzero 6y ago
Agree, you have the pentagon with its task force looking into ufos/uaps under a formerly secret program - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_Aerial_Phenomena_Task_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_Aerial_Phenomena_... You have Commander Fravor and other decorated US fighter pilots with both eyewitness accounts, video evidence, and radar evidence on numerous encounters with unidentified craft(NYTimes reported on these videos as well) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos As for the 180 days to release everything about UFO's it is mentioned in this CNN article - https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relie...
- swebs 6y ago
  >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos There's more in better info in the original USS Nimitz UFO Incident page. But Wikipedia authors scrubbed it when they merged the pages for whatever reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident&oldid=959589757 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Nimitz_UFO_in...
  - jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 6y ago
    Wikipedia editors have a clear stance against anything fringe, which is very wrong IMO. As an example, take this sentence from the intro for the Project Blue Book page [1]: By the time Project Blue Book ended, it had collected 12,618 UFO reports, and concluded that most of them were misidentifications of natural phenomena (clouds, stars, etc.) or conventional aircraft. According to the National Reconnaissance Office a number of the reports could be explained by flights of the formerly secret reconnaissance planes U-2 and A-12.[2] A small percentage of UFO reports were classified as unexplained, even after stringent analysis. That "small percentage" is actually 22%, as indicated many paragraphs below. And if we only consider the "Highest quality reports" category, the reports deemed unidentified goes up to 35%. That's not a "small percentage". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book
gnopgnip 6y ago
It wasn't a covid relief bill, it was the yearly appropriations bill that included covid relief. It also included an update to the Intelligence Authorization act. It doesn't require anyone to provide a report on everything they know about ufos, or report anything previously classified to the public. There is a broad change to reduce duplication and waste by sharing information on unidentified aerial phenomena between intelligence departments, and make a report on how this info is shared to the senate.

by avl999 6y ago

nickelcitymario 6y ago

> congress attached to the covid relief bill They did? Got a link? I tried a Google search but found nothing.

brianskarda 6y ago
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relie...
- nickelcitymario 6y ago
  Thanks!
franksvalli 6y ago
It can be found in the Committee Comments portion of the Intelligence Authorization Act (IAA) for Fiscal Year 2021 (search for "unidentified aerial phenomena"): https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligence-authorization-act-fiscal-year-2021 https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/intelligenc... Via Snopes: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/180-day-countdown-ufo/
- nickelcitymario 6y ago
  Thanks!

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

> I also find it interesting that since retiring Harry Read has openly talked about the existence of UFOs. This is the truly interesting point, you can question the material presented in document releases, but this is strange and obviously a clearly stated belief from someone well-aware of things behind the scenes beyond the knowledge of the general public.

diegocg 6y ago

Harry Reid funded the "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" with 22$ millions per year from 2007 to 2012 to research UFOs. And most of that money went to Robert Bigelow. Which happens to be friend of Harry Reid, is interested in UFOs and has donated money to Reid's campaigns (what a coincidence!) But the program was secret. Because, you know, aliens. And national security. Until its existence was revealed in 2017 - the year Reid retired from politics. I remember thinking how blatant and ingenious this corruption scheme was when I first heard of it. He gave money to his friends and even when it's publicly known nobody associates it with corruption because of "aliens"

swebs 6y ago
If its that open-and-shut, why hasn't he been arrested?
- bhk 6y ago
  There's no law against a member of Congress introducing or voting for legislation that benefits friends or donors. If there were, they'd all be in jail.
- ALittleLight 6y ago
  Because the legal system is designed and run by people in power and people in power aren't interested in prosecuting their own crimes.

jeffreyrogers 6y ago

> The public has the right to know. Why? Some of the UFOs are undoubtedly military projects. Making them public reveals their existence to other countries.

NationalPark 6y ago

I think we can pretty summarily dismiss all of this with, "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Given that every inch of the developed world is now covered with high resolution cameras, and UFO sightings via these devices have suspiciously not exploded in number, it's pretty clear that these reports were misidentifications, lies, and counterintelligence operations. Would it be cool if aliens were hanging out with us? Probably. Is it happening? Almost certainly not.

techdragon 6y ago
And the finest in government scan-of-a-photocopy-of-a-photocopy documents such as the COMSECNAVGRU one definitely don’t count as extra-ordinary evidence... heck some of the documents are barely legible evidence at best!
Pyramus 6y ago
You are confusing two crucial things: UFOs doesn't mean aliens, it's simply unidentified objects. Unless you really do want to speculate about aliens ... > "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" The evidence gathered by David Fraser et al. is actually quite compelling. Definitly there seem to be natural phenomena that can't be explained by our current scientific understanding.
- deeeeplearning 6y ago
  It's really not, its almost completely eyewitness based and regardless of their "expertise," eyewitnesses are almost completely worthless and certainly do not qualify as "compelling evidence" in the arena of Science.
  - King-Aaron 6y ago
    > almost completely eyewitness There was positive radar and flir data, along with multiple witnesses from their air group. Not 'almost completely eyewitness' accounts, which makes their observations rather compelling. My moneys on some actor - US or another state - having some kind of exotic aircraft that aren't on the books.

subsubzero 6y ago

Agree, you have the pentagon with its task force looking into ufos/uaps under a formerly secret program - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_Aerial_Phenomena_Task_Force https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unidentified_Aerial_Phenomena_... You have Commander Fravor and other decorated US fighter pilots with both eyewitness accounts, video evidence, and radar evidence on numerous encounters with unidentified craft(NYTimes reported on these videos as well) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos As for the 180 days to release everything about UFO's it is mentioned in this CNN article - https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relief-bill-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/us/ufo-report-emergency-relie...

swebs 6y ago
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_UFO_videos There's more in better info in the original USS Nimitz UFO Incident page. But Wikipedia authors scrubbed it when they merged the pages for whatever reason. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Nimitz_UFO_incident&oldid=959589757 https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=USS_Nimitz_UFO_in...
- jk7tarYZAQNpTQa 6y ago
  Wikipedia editors have a clear stance against anything fringe, which is very wrong IMO. As an example, take this sentence from the intro for the Project Blue Book page [1]: By the time Project Blue Book ended, it had collected 12,618 UFO reports, and concluded that most of them were misidentifications of natural phenomena (clouds, stars, etc.) or conventional aircraft. According to the National Reconnaissance Office a number of the reports could be explained by flights of the formerly secret reconnaissance planes U-2 and A-12.[2] A small percentage of UFO reports were classified as unexplained, even after stringent analysis. That "small percentage" is actually 22%, as indicated many paragraphs below. And if we only consider the "Highest quality reports" category, the reports deemed unidentified goes up to 35%. That's not a "small percentage". [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Blue_Book

gnopgnip 6y ago

It wasn't a covid relief bill, it was the yearly appropriations bill that included covid relief. It also included an update to the Intelligence Authorization act. It doesn't require anyone to provide a report on everything they know about ufos, or report anything previously classified to the public. There is a broad change to reduce duplication and waste by sharing information on unidentified aerial phenomena between intelligence departments, and make a report on how this info is shared to the senate.