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What you quoted is about people taking the only housing they can afford. Keep in mind low income households are 44% of the US. 44% of the country can only aff

What you quoted is about people taking the only housing they can afford. Keep in mind low income households are 44% of the US. 44% of the country can only afford the cheapest rent. When half of the country has a flat limit, it restricts rent prices, which is why in most of the US there are two grades of rent: 1) cheap rent, which isn't great or 2) slightly more expensive rent where you get seemingly double for it, eg your commute is reduced by an hour, you get all of these amenities like heating and AC, you get way more square feet and so on. For most of the country the difference is around $200 a month. I know there are wealthier areas like out here in the SF/Bay Area, where there is much more of a gradient due to the average person making six digits. Keep in mind if the bay area was its own country it would be the second wealthiest country in the world, so yes the US has exceptions, but lower income rent is still capped to their income. If you think housing is elastic either you misunderstand the word or you can always prove it by living out of your car. In comparison, eating out is elastic, despite it being food. You can easily prove it by cooking at home. Maybe you're saying living in an expensive place is elastic so the free market works? Yes, this is true for the upper half of the country. For the lower half it is absolutely inelastic. A tv is elastic, because you can easily prove it by not owning one. Utilities, eating cheap food at home, and housing are inelastic. Try living without power.

goodcanadian 6y ago
On the contrary. Housing demand is elastic. Three people can share a single apartment or they can each have their own. The latter takes three times as many apartments as the former. The strategy people choose will depend strongly on what they can afford. The tighter the supply is, the higher the price, the more people you will find living in each unit. The reason the price is capped by the lowest income is precisely because demand is elastic, if the landlords raised prices any, they would find themselves without tenants. The prospective tenants might move back in with their parents, for example (and yes, some of them might just end up homeless). There is insufficient demand at a higher price level. Utilities, eating cheap food at home, and housing are inelastic. Try living without power. Sure, living without power sucks, but above a bare minimum, the amount that is used is highly elastic. If I am having trouble paying the bill, I will absolutely keep use to a minimum.
- proverbialbunny 6y ago
  Elastic means you can go without it. Can you go without housing?
  - goodcanadian 6y ago
    Well, yes, but that is not what elastic means. Elastic means not fixed. The demand for housing can vary quite a lot even for a fixed population, so it is quite elastic. Demand for food on the other hand is much less elastic, but even there, I wouldn't call it completely fixed as people can change what they eat even if they can't drastically change the number of calories they consume.
    - proverbialbunny 6y ago
      What you're talking about is price elasticity, which is not the same thing. Here, I'll paste in a definition of inelastic: Inelastic is an economic term referring to the static quantity of a good or service when its price changes. Inelastic means that when the price goes up, consumers’ buying habits stay about the same, and when the price goes down, consumers’ buying habits also remain unchanged.
      - goodcanadian 6y ago
        Yes, I am using the same definition that you quoted. I will try one more time: What happens when an adult child moves back in with their parents? They have "gone without" one unit of housing. What happens when three friends move in together? They have collectively "gone without two" of the three units of housing that they would have otherwise have occupied. Conversely, what happens when my wife kicks me out because I spend too much time on Hacker News? I am now looking for new housing. In each case, the number of people remains fixed, but the demand for housing has changed. Price will definitely affect what strategy people adopt: whether to live alone or share with friends or whether to live in a cramped apartment or in a 3 bedroom house. To first approximation, everyone needs a place to live,* but there is more elasticity in the amount housing each individual consumes than is commonly believed. *I have known several people who have deliberately gone without housing entirely for a time in order to save money.

goodcanadian 6y ago

On the contrary. Housing demand is elastic. Three people can share a single apartment or they can each have their own. The latter takes three times as many apartments as the former. The strategy people choose will depend strongly on what they can afford. The tighter the supply is, the higher the price, the more people you will find living in each unit. The reason the price is capped by the lowest income is precisely because demand is elastic, if the landlords raised prices any, they would find themselves without tenants. The prospective tenants might move back in with their parents, for example (and yes, some of them might just end up homeless). There is insufficient demand at a higher price level. Utilities, eating cheap food at home, and housing are inelastic. Try living without power. Sure, living without power sucks, but above a bare minimum, the amount that is used is highly elastic. If I am having trouble paying the bill, I will absolutely keep use to a minimum.

proverbialbunny 6y ago
Elastic means you can go without it. Can you go without housing?
- goodcanadian 6y ago
  Well, yes, but that is not what elastic means. Elastic means not fixed. The demand for housing can vary quite a lot even for a fixed population, so it is quite elastic. Demand for food on the other hand is much less elastic, but even there, I wouldn't call it completely fixed as people can change what they eat even if they can't drastically change the number of calories they consume.
  - proverbialbunny 6y ago
    What you're talking about is price elasticity, which is not the same thing. Here, I'll paste in a definition of inelastic: Inelastic is an economic term referring to the static quantity of a good or service when its price changes. Inelastic means that when the price goes up, consumers’ buying habits stay about the same, and when the price goes down, consumers’ buying habits also remain unchanged.
    - goodcanadian 6y ago
      Yes, I am using the same definition that you quoted. I will try one more time: What happens when an adult child moves back in with their parents? They have "gone without" one unit of housing. What happens when three friends move in together? They have collectively "gone without two" of the three units of housing that they would have otherwise have occupied. Conversely, what happens when my wife kicks me out because I spend too much time on Hacker News? I am now looking for new housing. In each case, the number of people remains fixed, but the demand for housing has changed. Price will definitely affect what strategy people adopt: whether to live alone or share with friends or whether to live in a cramped apartment or in a 3 bedroom house. To first approximation, everyone needs a place to live,* but there is more elasticity in the amount housing each individual consumes than is commonly believed. *I have known several people who have deliberately gone without housing entirely for a time in order to save money.