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"... one of the lowest percentages of immigrants of any Western European country: only two percent of its 5.2 million residents. And a substantial fraction of
by occam 18y ago
"... one of the lowest percentages of immigrants of any Western European country: only two percent of its 5.2 million residents.
And a substantial fraction of Finland's immigrants consist of spouses of Finns, Finnish-speaking citizens of Russia (there are pockets of Finnish-speakers throughout the forests of northern Russia), Estonians, whose Uralic language is closest to Finnish, and Swedes (Swedish is the second official language). Third World immigrants make up less than one percent of the population."
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070319_diversity.htm http://www.vdare.com/sailer/070319_diversity.htm
- martythemaniak 18y agoJesus, as if there weren't enough populist demagogues blaming every problem on immigrants already, now we have to put up with you here on HN. http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm http://www.siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm Have a look at the rankings at the bottom, and then explain why Canada, with about 3-4 times more immigration per capita, outscores the US.
- aswanson 18y agoDon't bait him. His SEO technique is to spam more popular blogs/forums with links back to his, and to get into these types of arguments, producing more link opportunities for him. Worse, we may get more of his constituency moving in. (There goes the neighborhood). The best method to protect the site from being inundated with more stuff like this is to try to stay as hacker-focused as possible, perhaps relegating the race/gender/IQ trifecta to the same status as religion and political discussion, or to accept the likely degradation in discussion.
- Hexstream 18y agoI'm assuming if your comment has negative karma its links are necessarily nofollowed? edit: Then the strategy aswanson alleges occam is pursuing is totally misguided. Maybe a little note on the bottom of the comment box that all links are nofollowed would prevent any further such attempts.
- pg 18y agoAll links in comments are nofollowed.
- aswanson 18y ago...would prevent any further such attempts. Presuming he is smart enough to understand the implications.
- rms 18y ago>perhaps relegating the race/gender/IQ trifecta to the same status as religion and political discussion, or to accept the likely degradation in discussion. I'd prefer to accept the degradation. "X racial subgroup is better/worse in some way than y racial subgroup" is one of the unnamed Things You Can't Say and I see no need to censor it here, even if the discussion makes me uncomfortable.
- aswanson 18y agoRight, sweeping it under the table is never a good idea, but I don't know what else can be said about it that hasn't been beaten to all hell and back here and everywhere else. It's not like opinions are going to change, and I, for one, get nothing out of it. It is informative to know how other people think about these things, so you have a point. I do worry, though, about what type of people will be attracted here by this type of meme.
- rms 18y agoNofollowing isn't enough to stop determined SEOs with lots of time on their hands. A nofollow link is still decidedly better than no link at all, because it gets a couple of clicks of traffic and maybe, maybe will be picked up by someone else as a follow link.
- gruseom 18y agoThe best method to protect the site from being inundated with more stuff like this... You may be right. It may not (yet) be possible to have a sincere public discussion that isn't drowned out by PC ideologues on one side and racists and xenophobes on the other. It's not always easy to tell who's who, either: sometimes uttering "what you can't say" is an act of courage, sometimes it just means you're an asshole. Intentions and emotions are part of this, and they're harder to read outside the personal sphere.
- Alex3917 18y ago"Worse, we may get more of his constituency moving in. (There goes the neighborhood)." We should do everything we can to keep out these immigrants.
- occam 18y agoSurely there is a technological solution to this. Perhaps a thought purifier?
- daniel-cussen 18y agoI don't see how this is SEO. Secondly, I disagree that race, gender and IQ should be banned from discussion along with religion and politics. Ban trolls, not subjects.
- mynameishere 18y agoCanada has extremely rigorous requirements for immigrants.
- gruseom 18y ago"Canada" and "extremely" in the same phrase? An oxymoron! Edit: I almost didn't post this because people are being so sensitive today. But you're a tough guy. :)
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- cypress-hill 18y agocanada's immigrants tend to be more educated. this isn't much of a stretch, the people crossing the border at arizona in 110 degree heat tend to be some of the most disadvantaged from their own society
- felipe 18y agoAnd what's your point?
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- gojomo 18y agoI'm pro-immigration, in the classic "the more the merrier" tradition of those with confidence in both markets and human innovation. But to be intellectually honest, we have to acknowledge that immigrants of different languages, cultures, and economic backgrounds will bring many 'average' statistics of education (and health, etc.) down. This is even true if the immigration is a net-benefit to both natives and newcomers. With that in mind, the massive downvoting of the parent comment (at -9 at one point) is a dishonest enforcement of political correctness. Even if you disagree with the conclusions of the linked article, and the other views of that article's author, the comment here is factual and relevant to the topic at hand, and the linked article includes other useful facts about Finland. If the submission question "What makes Finnish kids so smart?" is legitimate at all -- the study of why one country has different results than others -- discussion has to be free to consider major things that make that country different from others. In Finland's case, that includes its traditional and apparently legally-enforced homogeneity. I would not want to live in such a place, but I don't want my understanding of such places crippled by a long list of "things you can't say".
- mynameishere 18y agolegally-enforced homogeneity Honest question: Would you want to live in a country with legally-enforced diversity? (Because that's where you're living.)
- gojomo 18y agoThe question is too vague to answer. What kind of 'diversity' and how is it 'enforced'? I haven't emigrated, and I prefer more open immigration than either Finland or the U.S. allow.
- dgabriel 18y agoYes.
- mynameishere 18y agoYour neighborhood or mine? Is it okay if the good and decent men of congress choose your neighbors? Or should nationalist groups like La Raza be in charge of determining the country's composition? That's what I mean by "legally-enforced diversity": Powerful people, deciding for other people, whether they are acceptable, or whether they should be numerically marginalized.