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I can understand the sentiment, but this is HN and not Parler or Twitter. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion better stay silent. This lang

I can understand the sentiment, but this is HN and not Parler or Twitter. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion better stay silent. This language is not welcome here.

7373737373 6y ago
I deeply apologize for having strong feelings about people being tortured, abducted, brainwashed and forcibly sterilized. My bad.
- koheripbal 6y ago
  You're missing the point. Comments here need to add something to the conversation for the rest of us. Your emotions do not benefit anyone/anything. If you're looking for a place to vent your emotions, other social media sites are a better fit - reddit, twitter, facebook, etc...
  - 7373737373 6y ago
    Good, let me tell you some unemotional things, facts, if you will: Almost every article in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is violated here by the Chinese Government. The legal system in China is extremely new. Even stuff like contract law has only existed since the 1990s and onwards. The Chinese constitution foresees no separation of powers, the court system is not independent, it is under the influence of the party. Their Constitution states: > Article 4 All nationalities in the People’s Republic of China are equal. The State protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops a relationship of equality, unity and mutual assistance among all of China’s nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any act which undermines the unity of the nationalities or instigates division is prohibited. > The State assists areas inhabited by minority nationalities in accelerating their economic and cultural development according to the characteristics and needs of the various minority nationalities. > Regional autonomy is practised in areas where people of minority nationalities live in concentrated communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established to exercise the power of autonomy. All national autonomous areas are integral parts of the People’s Republic of China. > All nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages and to preserve or reform their own folkways and customs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
    - lmilcin 6y ago
      See, the problem is you misunderstand the situation. The legal/political system in China is not new. Actually, China is probably most stable system throughout written history, practicing roughly same government/legal system and its approach to relation between government and individual person for the past two millennia. Which is to say that in China, as opposed to western civilizations, there is no human rights as we now it because Chinese people are and have always been subservient to the government. In western civilizations monarchy powers slowly eroded and had to either give concessions or be overthrown in a violent revolt. This never happened in China. If you have doubts, just read The Origins of Political Order (Francis Fukuyama). This is well explained there. Ignore labels like "People's Republic of China", the fact is that people in China have only so much rights as it suits the government to give them for the country to prosper. And it does not hesitate to reserve those rights the moment it suits some need. Do I agree with this? It does not matter. Stay on the facts.
      - gamblor956 6y ago
        China is probably most stable system throughout written history, practicing roughly same government/legal system and its approach to relation between government and individual person for the past two millennia. Sure, if you ignore the history of China's Imperial dynasties, Mongolian rule, British rule, Japanese rule, and Mao/Early CCP. But other then all of these different governments and legal systems, Chinese has had the same government and legal system. In western civilizations monarchy powers slowly eroded and had to either give concessions or be overthrown in a violent revolt. This never happened in China. China overthrew its monarchy in 1911. Hundreds of thousands died. Since then China has had multiple violent revolutions resulting in the death of millions, though none of them were against the monarchy.
        lmilcin 6y ago
        > China overthrew its monarchy in 1911. Hundreds of thousands died. So you say every time there is a revolt and one government is replaced with another it means a fundamentally different way of governing people, different political system? The reality is that nothing really changed and China and, again, I will invoke "On Origins of Political Order" because it is very well explained there. Just because a monarchy has been replaced with Mao (de facto monarch) and then with single party doesn't mean people gained any rights. While people in western world were slowly getting more rights (shifting from a absolute monarch to rule of law to concept of human rights) nothing of that sort happened in China. Think of communist party as a collection of princes that band together to govern a huge mass of people but not for the good of the people, but rather for the good of the party (collection of princes). Where those goals coincide this results in goals for the good of the people but where they do not, this will result in killings, mass incarcerations, etc.
- dang 6y ago
  Bad things happening elsewhere doesn't make it ok to destroy this place. If you want to comment here, we need you to follow the site guidelines by posting thoughtfully and substantively. "Fuck these fascists" isn't that, and snark isn't ok either. It isn't about emotions—there are lots of ways to express your emotions that would be fine. Unfortunately the internet tends to only know one way to do that, and that is to vent flaming rage. This is not ok on Hacker News because it destroys the container we're trying to build here. It's not possible to have flamewar and curious conversation at the same time. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

I can understand the sentiment, but this is HN and not Parler or Twitter. If you have nothing intelligent to add to the discussion better stay silent. This language is not welcome here.

7373737373 6y ago

I deeply apologize for having strong feelings about people being tortured, abducted, brainwashed and forcibly sterilized. My bad.

koheripbal 6y ago
You're missing the point. Comments here need to add something to the conversation for the rest of us. Your emotions do not benefit anyone/anything. If you're looking for a place to vent your emotions, other social media sites are a better fit - reddit, twitter, facebook, etc...
- 7373737373 6y ago
  Good, let me tell you some unemotional things, facts, if you will: Almost every article in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights is violated here by the Chinese Government. The legal system in China is extremely new. Even stuff like contract law has only existed since the 1990s and onwards. The Chinese constitution foresees no separation of powers, the court system is not independent, it is under the influence of the party. Their Constitution states: > Article 4 All nationalities in the People’s Republic of China are equal. The State protects the lawful rights and interests of the minority nationalities and upholds and develops a relationship of equality, unity and mutual assistance among all of China’s nationalities. Discrimination against and oppression of any nationality are prohibited; any act which undermines the unity of the nationalities or instigates division is prohibited. > The State assists areas inhabited by minority nationalities in accelerating their economic and cultural development according to the characteristics and needs of the various minority nationalities. > Regional autonomy is practised in areas where people of minority nationalities live in concentrated communities; in these areas organs of self-government are established to exercise the power of autonomy. All national autonomous areas are integral parts of the People’s Republic of China. > All nationalities have the freedom to use and develop their own spoken and written languages and to preserve or reform their own folkways and customs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_China
  - lmilcin 6y ago
    See, the problem is you misunderstand the situation. The legal/political system in China is not new. Actually, China is probably most stable system throughout written history, practicing roughly same government/legal system and its approach to relation between government and individual person for the past two millennia. Which is to say that in China, as opposed to western civilizations, there is no human rights as we now it because Chinese people are and have always been subservient to the government. In western civilizations monarchy powers slowly eroded and had to either give concessions or be overthrown in a violent revolt. This never happened in China. If you have doubts, just read The Origins of Political Order (Francis Fukuyama). This is well explained there. Ignore labels like "People's Republic of China", the fact is that people in China have only so much rights as it suits the government to give them for the country to prosper. And it does not hesitate to reserve those rights the moment it suits some need. Do I agree with this? It does not matter. Stay on the facts.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      China is probably most stable system throughout written history, practicing roughly same government/legal system and its approach to relation between government and individual person for the past two millennia. Sure, if you ignore the history of China's Imperial dynasties, Mongolian rule, British rule, Japanese rule, and Mao/Early CCP. But other then all of these different governments and legal systems, Chinese has had the same government and legal system. In western civilizations monarchy powers slowly eroded and had to either give concessions or be overthrown in a violent revolt. This never happened in China. China overthrew its monarchy in 1911. Hundreds of thousands died. Since then China has had multiple violent revolutions resulting in the death of millions, though none of them were against the monarchy.
      - lmilcin 6y ago
        > China overthrew its monarchy in 1911. Hundreds of thousands died. So you say every time there is a revolt and one government is replaced with another it means a fundamentally different way of governing people, different political system? The reality is that nothing really changed and China and, again, I will invoke "On Origins of Political Order" because it is very well explained there. Just because a monarchy has been replaced with Mao (de facto monarch) and then with single party doesn't mean people gained any rights. While people in western world were slowly getting more rights (shifting from a absolute monarch to rule of law to concept of human rights) nothing of that sort happened in China. Think of communist party as a collection of princes that band together to govern a huge mass of people but not for the good of the people, but rather for the good of the party (collection of princes). Where those goals coincide this results in goals for the good of the people but where they do not, this will result in killings, mass incarcerations, etc.
dang 6y ago
Bad things happening elsewhere doesn't make it ok to destroy this place. If you want to comment here, we need you to follow the site guidelines by posting thoughtfully and substantively. "Fuck these fascists" isn't that, and snark isn't ok either. It isn't about emotions—there are lots of ways to express your emotions that would be fine. Unfortunately the internet tends to only know one way to do that, and that is to vent flaming rage. This is not ok on Hacker News because it destroys the container we're trying to build here. It's not possible to have flamewar and curious conversation at the same time. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.