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Go ahead and say which racial groups that would be against, particularly relative to Apple's total investments in a given year.

nitsky 6y ago
These are the only investments I’m aware of that apple makes that are targeted at particular racial groups. The others are available without racial discrimination. While the racial composition of the recipients may not be in proportion with each race’s representation in the general population, I do not believe that makes them “racist”. In my view, “racism” is when race is made an explicit criterion in decision making, as apple is demonstrating here.
- ziaddotcom 6y ago
  Are reservations for Native Americans racism by your definition then, since they are explicitly for Native Americans?
  - nitsky 6y ago
    No, reservations are not given on the basis of race, they are part of peace treaties negotiated between "countries" such as "the cherokee nation", "the navajo nation", etc. They are no more racist than treaties signed with other nations whose population is mostly one particular race. See wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation
    - ziaddotcom 6y ago
      why doesn't your definition of racism also have parity with Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
      - nitsky 6y ago
        From the article: > According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race. That seems to match what I wrote above.
        ziaddotcom 6y ago
        According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race.[48][49] From the two citations: [48] Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. [49] a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior.
        nitsky 6y ago
        > Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior. I agree that it does not indicate "antagonism" or "superiority", but you left out "discrimination", which is right there in the definition in your comment. I believe that apple's program "discriminates" on the basis of race, and therefore is racist.
        ziaddotcom 6y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination "Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between human beings based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they are perceived to belong.[1] People may be discriminated on the basis of race, gender, age or sexual orientation, as well as other categories.[2] Discrimination especially occurs when individuals or groups are unfairly treated in a way which is worse than other people are treated, on the basis of their actual or perceived membership in certain groups or social categories.[2][3] It involves restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to members of another group.[4] Do you think Apple giving 100MM specifically to "Black and Brown companies" is unjustified?
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nitsky 6y ago

These are the only investments I’m aware of that apple makes that are targeted at particular racial groups. The others are available without racial discrimination. While the racial composition of the recipients may not be in proportion with each race’s representation in the general population, I do not believe that makes them “racist”. In my view, “racism” is when race is made an explicit criterion in decision making, as apple is demonstrating here.

ziaddotcom 6y ago
Are reservations for Native Americans racism by your definition then, since they are explicitly for Native Americans?
- nitsky 6y ago
  No, reservations are not given on the basis of race, they are part of peace treaties negotiated between "countries" such as "the cherokee nation", "the navajo nation", etc. They are no more racist than treaties signed with other nations whose population is mostly one particular race. See wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation
  - ziaddotcom 6y ago
    why doesn't your definition of racism also have parity with Wikipedia? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
    - nitsky 6y ago
      From the article: > According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race. That seems to match what I wrote above.
      - ziaddotcom 6y ago
        According to dictionaries, the word is commonly used to describe prejudice and discrimination based on race.[48][49] From the two citations: [48] Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized. [49] a belief that race is a fundamental determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior.
      - nitsky 6y ago
        > Apple choosing to invest in educational and entrepreneurial programs for "Black and Brown companies" is in no way antagonism towards other races nor is it an indication that Apple supports a belief that any race is superior. I agree that it does not indicate "antagonism" or "superiority", but you left out "discrimination", which is right there in the definition in your comment. I believe that apple's program "discriminates" on the basis of race, and therefore is racist.
        ziaddotcom 6y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination "Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between human beings based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they are perceived to belong.[1] People may be discriminated on the basis of race, gender, age or sexual orientation, as well as other categories.[2] Discrimination especially occurs when individuals or groups are unfairly treated in a way which is worse than other people are treated, on the basis of their actual or perceived membership in certain groups or social categories.[2][3] It involves restricting members of one group from opportunities or privileges that are available to members of another group.[4] Do you think Apple giving 100MM specifically to "Black and Brown companies" is unjustified?
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