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Apple how about you let the social justice fight to the NGOs and the political parties and instead you announce: 1. A less blood-sucking fee structure in your
by cambalache 6y ago
Apple how about you let the social justice fight to the NGOs and the political parties and instead you announce:
1. A less blood-sucking fee structure in your app store.
2. A chance to install 3rd party software from outside your official channels if an user so decides.
3. Let your workers to unionize without any repercussions
4. You only will manufacture in contractors with a public verifiable record of complying with the labor laws.
5. You will not ban apps for ideological reasons, unless you are required to do it by law.
- jhardy54 6y agoWhy do you think that social justice should only be worked on by NGOs? It seems that all of the comments on this thread are folks who don't want Apple working on social problems.
- anewaccount2021 6y agoApple customers know the supply chain is supported by coerced labor and they don't care. I mean...look no further than HN...everyone here has seen the stories, and you are all still buying iPhones.
- dieortin 6y agoWhat about the device you’re writing this from? I bet it was assembled by the same kind of labor. This isn’t limited to “Apple customers”, so don’t act like it is. It’s currently impossible to buy a good performing smartphone that has been ethically manufactured.
- anewaccount2021 6y agoSamsung S20 made in Vietnam. Find me stories of expoitation.
- dmd 6y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+vietnam+factory+conditions https://www.google.com/search?q=samsung+vietnam+factory+cond... doesn't look good
- anewaccount2021 6y agoReports of dizziness? You honestly think these are remotely in the same ballpark as whats going on with Apple's supply chain? HN really just wants to excuse its own collective inability to act on the endless virtue signalling. Well the good news for you and everyone else is that you can continue to do whatever it is you did yesterday...because you found a counterexample! Congrats, bookmark it!
- dang 6y agoWould you please stop posting unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to HN? You've been doing a lot of this, and it's not what this site is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of this community to heart, we'd be grateful.
- jsiepkes 6y agoClose to impossible but not entirely. There is Fairphone: https://www.fairphone.com/ https://www.fairphone.com/
- dieortin 6y agoI did know about fairphone, but sadly its hardware really holds it back.
- whimsicalism 6y agoAll of these things are so obviously related to a notion of social justice that your comment almost reads like satire. Or is social justice just a dogwhistle for "things that help black people/women that I don't like" at this point?
- DarkWiiPlayer 6y agoI've always taken "social justice" as a dogwhistle for "Let's address social issues in a way that solves them only for certain minorities". That suspicion has been strengthened again and again every time I've seen the word used unironically.
- gnusty_gnurc 6y agoI've realized "dogwhistle" is a dogwhistle for miserable & sanctimonious people.
- jjj123 6y agoNo, corporate social justice usually means low impact changes that don’t affect the bottom line. I’m saying that speaking as someone who’s been on one of those social justice teams and was frustrated to discover we were mostly there for PR reasons.
- whimsicalism 6y agoSure, but here the key word seems to be "corporate" and perhaps D&I, rather than social justice as a concept, which is much more all-encompassing, and includes stuff like pushing for a union, paying workers a living wage, as well as recognizing that racism is a real thing.
- jjj123 6y agoThat’s fair, I agree with your definition of social justice generally, but I think the way it’s wielded by the powerful usually defangs the term. And that watered down definition has become the more common colloquial definition imo.
- spideymans 6y ago> Apple how about you let the social justice fight to the NGOs and the political parties and instead you announce Apple has a handful of employees. I suspect they’re more than capable of doing more than one thing at a time (Pure speculation though... the whole company might still be focused on un-jamming that printer in HR)
- cambalache 6y ago> Pure speculation though... the whole company might still be focused on un-jamming that printer in HR That should explain why they didnt verify they were exploiting children in 3rd world countries.
- KraftKacke 6y agoI do think huge companies should take a stance on social justice issues, as they have a lot of power... Both can be done, but the things you stated are the minimum, not optional, if they care about humans at all. Fair and safe working conditions first. Duh. Then enabling equality in access and participation. Apple is enforcing the social status quo, if they uphold economic entry barriers. Gender and race issues are important, but for the most part they manifest as class issues. Much safer and easier to become an iOS developer, if you're a white dude, than a black woman. If you live paycheck to paycheck, you can't afford a Mac for development or the AppStore license. So doing both is important, but without tidying up your own yard, it's all just green washing a dirty white collar.
- threatofrain 6y agoOn the matter of Parker, Apple likely banned Parler because of exposure to criminal, civil, and PR liability. Per the CEO of Parler, banks and payment vendors, law firms, and text and mail services also cancelled on them. That’s why people are talking about alternative currencies in the same breath as Parler. Anyone too slow to ban Parker could face a full court press from all sides, and not merely any one firm. Apple has also banned porn and that is not legally required at all, and somewhat ideological.