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It's not just ARM, many European companies don't pay well. Especially for engineers and developers. In Europe you have to be management to get payed anything s

by consp 6y ago

It's not just ARM, many European companies don't pay well. Especially for engineers and developers. In Europe you have to be management to get payed anything substantial. Though most management is still doing the jobs which any engineer could combine with their work and probably do equally well or better.

dsnr 6y ago
> many European companies don't pay well. Especially for engineers and developers. You have to take into account the fact that in Europe the state takes a big chunk of your gross salary (probably around 50%) in form of social contributions and other taxes, to cover things like healthcare, unemployment, pension, welfare, parental leave and so on. In the US you have to cover these things yourself most of the time. So while most people praise the European system they would like at the same time to earn as much as their US counterparts, which is unrealistic tbh. As the saying goes, "you can't have your cake and..."
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  I think you're misunderstanding - we mean 'many European companies don't pay as well as North American companies even when they are also employing you in Europe'. So that tax is the same and you can directly compare and it is egregious.
  - dsnr 6y ago
    Yeah, misunderstood that.
- wil421 6y ago
  That doesn't cover the difference. In the US the pay for a median software engineer is slightly above $100k. In the UK, Germany, and France it is half that and most likely less than half for the UK and France.
tchalla 6y ago
> hough most management is still doing the jobs which any engineer could combine with their work and probably do equally well or better. If engineers could do it better, why don't they?
- oytis 6y ago
  Because they like engineering?
  - chrisseaton 6y ago
    If you won't volunteer to do a job then don't criticise those who do.
- consp 6y ago
  Since it's the person you would replace which decides your faith. So yes, it would be better, and most I know would probably like to, but won't be allowed in any way to "meddle with management business".
- jackjeff 6y ago
  Management won’t let you. They probably won’t even hire you in the first place. Some great companies cough airbus cough won’t pay you or consider hiring you unless you have a degree from a prestigious place. And if you tell HR you are not interested in being a manager but stay an engineer they won’t even hire you. Most people in the company produce Word and PowerPoint documents, not code.

by consp 6y ago

dsnr 6y ago

> many European companies don't pay well. Especially for engineers and developers. You have to take into account the fact that in Europe the state takes a big chunk of your gross salary (probably around 50%) in form of social contributions and other taxes, to cover things like healthcare, unemployment, pension, welfare, parental leave and so on. In the US you have to cover these things yourself most of the time. So while most people praise the European system they would like at the same time to earn as much as their US counterparts, which is unrealistic tbh. As the saying goes, "you can't have your cake and..."

chrisseaton 6y ago
I think you're misunderstanding - we mean 'many European companies don't pay as well as North American companies even when they are also employing you in Europe'. So that tax is the same and you can directly compare and it is egregious.
- dsnr 6y ago
  Yeah, misunderstood that.
wil421 6y ago
That doesn't cover the difference. In the US the pay for a median software engineer is slightly above $100k. In the UK, Germany, and France it is half that and most likely less than half for the UK and France.

tchalla 6y ago

> hough most management is still doing the jobs which any engineer could combine with their work and probably do equally well or better. If engineers could do it better, why don't they?

oytis 6y ago
Because they like engineering?
- chrisseaton 6y ago
  If you won't volunteer to do a job then don't criticise those who do.
consp 6y ago
Since it's the person you would replace which decides your faith. So yes, it would be better, and most I know would probably like to, but won't be allowed in any way to "meddle with management business".
jackjeff 6y ago
Management won’t let you. They probably won’t even hire you in the first place. Some great companies cough airbus cough won’t pay you or consider hiring you unless you have a degree from a prestigious place. And if you tell HR you are not interested in being a manager but stay an engineer they won’t even hire you. Most people in the company produce Word and PowerPoint documents, not code.