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> There is not a single square inch in the territory Israel controls where a Palestinian and a Jew are equal. > ... both inside the 1967 lines and beyond them

by yonixw 6y ago

> There is not a single square inch in the territory Israel controls where a Palestinian and a Jew are equal. > ... both inside the 1967 lines and beyond them, ... If he would have said Palestinian against "Israelis" then it might be worth to discuss... Arab-Israelies as they are called, vote and are chosen to the Parliament (Knesset) and have the EXACT same right as any other Jew. Practical discussion should be aware to not use any hyperboles.

Synaesthesia 6y ago
There are many small ways in which they are discriminated against, especially since they don't serve in the IDF. You can look at things like access to housing, which is much greater to Jewish citizens. The JNF only leases to Jews. https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/iopt0308/4.htm https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/iopt0308/4.htm
- yonixw 6y ago
  You are aware that the Palestine-Arabs are the one who don't want to serve in the IDF? ( Also not serving in the IDF is a plus for most cynical people since you get to go to university immediately (which they do, in Tel-Aviv)). And what you linked is not relevant since all of it is public law - not targeting any population and not "subtle" ways to hide "the apartheid" as suggested by the government. Are there racist people using any tool to discriminate? Yes.
- yonixw 6y ago
  Also, in 2005 the "Attorney General of Israel " removed the restriction that the JNF could not sell to Arabs. https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3037805,00.html https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3037805,00.html
roodseuk 6y ago
Practical discussion should should be aware not to cherry pick quotes :-( "All Jewish citizens get to vote (and all Jews can become citizens), but less than a quarter of the Palestinians under Israel’s rule have citizenship and can thus vote. "
- yonixw 6y ago
  > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel > 1,890,000 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank > 2,747,943 (Including other races?) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip > 2,047,969 We can see that at least 28% Arabs are citizens of Israel (not<25%). Since they live in "official" Israel. All the others don't since they don't live in Israel. How is it a JEW related problem? How did your sentence change the problem I suggested. How does the word JEW make any of it practical?
  - jrochkind1 6y ago
    B'tselem's actual report is as good a case for why Israel should be understood as an apartheid society privileging Jews as any we are going to make here in comments. They spent time researching it and writing it, unlike our off the cuff comments. I understand it will not convince you either, but I hope you will read it. A Regime of Jewish Supremacy from the River to the Sea: This is Apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is... > Israel accords Palestinians a different package of rights in every one of these units – all of which are inferior compared to the rights afforded to Jewish citizens. The goal of Jewish supremacy is advanced differently in every unit, and the resulting forms of injustice differ: the lived experience of Palestinians in blockaded Gaza is unlike that of Palestinian subjects in the West Bank, permanent residents in East Jerusalem or Palestinian citizens within sovereign Israeli territory. Yet these are variations on the fact that all Palestinians living under Israeli rule are treated as inferior in rights and status to Jews who live in the very same area. > Detailed below are four major methods the Israeli regime uses to advance Jewish supremacy. Two are implemented similarly throughout the entire area: restricting migration by non-Jews and taking over Palestinian land to build Jewish-only communities, while relegating Palestinians to small enclaves. The other two are implemented primarily in the Occupied Territories: draconian restrictions on the movement of non-citizen Palestinians and denial of their political rights. Control over these aspects of life lies entirely in Israel’s hands: in the entire area, Israel has sole power over the population registry, land allocation, voter rolls and the right (or denial thereof) to travel within, enter or exit any part of the area.

by yonixw 6y ago

Synaesthesia 6y ago

There are many small ways in which they are discriminated against, especially since they don't serve in the IDF. You can look at things like access to housing, which is much greater to Jewish citizens. The JNF only leases to Jews. https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/iopt0308/4.htm https://www.hrw.org/reports/2008/iopt0308/4.htm

yonixw 6y ago
You are aware that the Palestine-Arabs are the one who don't want to serve in the IDF? ( Also not serving in the IDF is a plus for most cynical people since you get to go to university immediately (which they do, in Tel-Aviv)). And what you linked is not relevant since all of it is public law - not targeting any population and not "subtle" ways to hide "the apartheid" as suggested by the government. Are there racist people using any tool to discriminate? Yes.
yonixw 6y ago
Also, in 2005 the "Attorney General of Israel " removed the restriction that the JNF could not sell to Arabs. https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3037805,00.html https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3037805,00.html

roodseuk 6y ago

Practical discussion should should be aware not to cherry pick quotes :-( "All Jewish citizens get to vote (and all Jews can become citizens), but less than a quarter of the Palestinians under Israel’s rule have citizenship and can thus vote. "

yonixw 6y ago
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel > 1,890,000 > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Bank > 2,747,943 (Including other races?) > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_Strip > 2,047,969 We can see that at least 28% Arabs are citizens of Israel (not<25%). Since they live in "official" Israel. All the others don't since they don't live in Israel. How is it a JEW related problem? How did your sentence change the problem I suggested. How does the word JEW make any of it practical?
- jrochkind1 6y ago
  B'tselem's actual report is as good a case for why Israel should be understood as an apartheid society privileging Jews as any we are going to make here in comments. They spent time researching it and writing it, unlike our off the cuff comments. I understand it will not convince you either, but I hope you will read it. A Regime of Jewish Supremacy from the River to the Sea: This is Apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is_apartheid https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is... > Israel accords Palestinians a different package of rights in every one of these units – all of which are inferior compared to the rights afforded to Jewish citizens. The goal of Jewish supremacy is advanced differently in every unit, and the resulting forms of injustice differ: the lived experience of Palestinians in blockaded Gaza is unlike that of Palestinian subjects in the West Bank, permanent residents in East Jerusalem or Palestinian citizens within sovereign Israeli territory. Yet these are variations on the fact that all Palestinians living under Israeli rule are treated as inferior in rights and status to Jews who live in the very same area. > Detailed below are four major methods the Israeli regime uses to advance Jewish supremacy. Two are implemented similarly throughout the entire area: restricting migration by non-Jews and taking over Palestinian land to build Jewish-only communities, while relegating Palestinians to small enclaves. The other two are implemented primarily in the Occupied Territories: draconian restrictions on the movement of non-citizen Palestinians and denial of their political rights. Control over these aspects of life lies entirely in Israel’s hands: in the entire area, Israel has sole power over the population registry, land allocation, voter rolls and the right (or denial thereof) to travel within, enter or exit any part of the area.