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I’m aware that there is a difference. My question was at what point in between the two does it become not okay?

by peytn 6y ago

user-the-name 6y ago
I can pick a flower, but somehow I can't take all the money out of the vault of a bank! At what point in between does it become not okay?
- peytn 6y ago
  I decided a few years ago that my line would be banning a sitting president. I don’t consume political theater and don’t know what’s happening, but I’m going to stick to my principles. If what he’s done is so bad, there are ways to kick him out of office. I’m curious whether others have a line.
  - user-the-name 6y ago
    That is an incredibly specific and quite honestly massively weird line.
smcl 6y ago
Your question sounded rhetorical and implied there was a giant fuzzy area between talking to yourself and openly inciting an uprising. It appeared that you were sympathetic to Trump and wanted to suggest his ban was ridiculous - if this part is not true, I apologise. In reality for most purposes it's probably not quite so ambiguous. However, Google is well known on HN for yanking your account and various connected services from under your feet, being a giant black box and offering little recourse or support. So the only possible response is what I originally said: if you're concerned at all you should unplug your device.
- peytn 6y ago
  Unplugged. I feel like I still haven’t gotten a clear answer on whether there should be a limit on Google’s ability to control information on its platform and what that limit should be. Can Google route emails from its competitor’s recruiters to my spam folder? Can they choose not to do business with me if I contact their employees? What if I email the wrong politicians? Have we really reached the point where asking where the line is after the president is banned is seen as rhetorical? How can we make good decisions if we can’t have these discussions? It feels like we are working off a “common sense” that is shared only by those who consume political theater. I’m not sympathetic—-I don’t even know the story—-but I see what I perceive to be a lack of deliberation.
  - smcl 6y ago
    Should there be a limit? Probably. What should that limit be? Well that's where I'm afraid nobody can provide you the definitive answer you are looking for. Not least me, I've enough on my plate at the moment and it deserves more time than I can give to it. As for the second point - you can surely see how your original comment could be interpreted how it was. Nobody replying wanted to shut down a discussion on the nuances of whether tech giants should restrict expression or activities on their platforms. However your comment was (inadvertently it seems) similar in flavour to an argument many of us have seen over and over from the far-right - holding up a very uncontroversial everyday thing and a very divisive hot-button issue and demanding to know how they are different. In that circumstance - and I am speaking from experience here - normally nothing good comes from engaging.

I’m aware that there is a difference. My question was at what point in between the two does it become not okay?

by peytn 6y ago

I’m aware that there is a difference. My question was at what point in between the two does it become not okay?

I can pick a flower, but somehow I can't take all the money out of the vault of a bank! At what point in between does it become not okay?

peytn 6y ago
I decided a few years ago that my line would be banning a sitting president. I don’t consume political theater and don’t know what’s happening, but I’m going to stick to my principles. If what he’s done is so bad, there are ways to kick him out of office. I’m curious whether others have a line.
- user-the-name 6y ago
  That is an incredibly specific and quite honestly massively weird line.

smcl 6y ago

Your question sounded rhetorical and implied there was a giant fuzzy area between talking to yourself and openly inciting an uprising. It appeared that you were sympathetic to Trump and wanted to suggest his ban was ridiculous - if this part is not true, I apologise. In reality for most purposes it's probably not quite so ambiguous. However, Google is well known on HN for yanking your account and various connected services from under your feet, being a giant black box and offering little recourse or support. So the only possible response is what I originally said: if you're concerned at all you should unplug your device.

peytn 6y ago
Unplugged. I feel like I still haven’t gotten a clear answer on whether there should be a limit on Google’s ability to control information on its platform and what that limit should be. Can Google route emails from its competitor’s recruiters to my spam folder? Can they choose not to do business with me if I contact their employees? What if I email the wrong politicians? Have we really reached the point where asking where the line is after the president is banned is seen as rhetorical? How can we make good decisions if we can’t have these discussions? It feels like we are working off a “common sense” that is shared only by those who consume political theater. I’m not sympathetic—-I don’t even know the story—-but I see what I perceive to be a lack of deliberation.
- smcl 6y ago
  Should there be a limit? Probably. What should that limit be? Well that's where I'm afraid nobody can provide you the definitive answer you are looking for. Not least me, I've enough on my plate at the moment and it deserves more time than I can give to it. As for the second point - you can surely see how your original comment could be interpreted how it was. Nobody replying wanted to shut down a discussion on the nuances of whether tech giants should restrict expression or activities on their platforms. However your comment was (inadvertently it seems) similar in flavour to an argument many of us have seen over and over from the far-right - holding up a very uncontroversial everyday thing and a very divisive hot-button issue and demanding to know how they are different. In that circumstance - and I am speaking from experience here - normally nothing good comes from engaging.