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It does seem like supporting the actions of a man deliberately provoking violence to overthrow a democratic result in a extra legal fashion should face conseque

It does seem like supporting the actions of a man deliberately provoking violence to overthrow a democratic result in a extra legal fashion should face consequences. If Twitter and Google are now governments in their own right though I must have missed it. Just because the US is a dysfunctional plutocracy doesn't mean a few billionaires should have such control over what are modern day phone networks. Everything old is new again! Big tech would be wise to bring down the walled gardens and implement federated protocols where possible not just where is necessary. Otherwise the world has new governments to interact with. I wonder how long that state I'd affairs can stand.

atc 6y ago
> deliberately provoking violence ????
ReptileMan 6y ago
>It does seem like supporting the actions of a man deliberately provoking violence to overthrow a democratic result in a extra legal fashion should face consequences. And when we have banned the accounts of all people that have supported the riots and the violence in the summer I could probably agree. But in my opinion there were minor to none punishments for condoning the violent, not only the non violent protests.
- marksbrown 6y ago
  I'm not from the US and I don't care about your tit for tat childish partisan politics. Your leader held a rally in your capital and encouraged his followers to literally attack your democratic institutions and therefore democracy itself. His failure to support democratic norms have led, and potentially will lead, to further deaths in your country. This is the discussion that you need to face. I don't care about point scoring between two teams that obviously only support the extremely wealthy in your country. Good luck fixing it.
  - ReptileMan 6y ago
    I am not from US, Trump is not my leader and I have no dog in this fight. Trump has not attacked my democratic institutions and has not caused any deaths in my country. So this is totally not the discussion I need to face. And neither of the two teams support the extremely wealthy in my country - putin does it. But if we talk about stuff requiring fixing - your attitude towards strangers on the internet could probably use some. The overzealousness spills in the real world. Keep it in check.
    - marksbrown 6y ago
      Attack ideas not people. I'm sorry you're offended, which is an irony given that you're arguing for free speech. From a neutral perspective, members of a government should support the institution of that government. Failure to do so undermines them. Deliberately attacking the institutions of government is quite literally sedition. If you wish to discuss how the US deals with violent protesters then I can't help you. Neither of us are there! The only reason this is relevant at all to anybody outside the US is the out-sized influence their government has on the world and the out-sized influence their corporations have on citizen's lives outside their own borders.
      - ReptileMan 6y ago
        I am not offended, merely amused. And yes - I was attacking the idea that we should write our angry/scolding/righteous response before we even get the basic situation correctly. If you are right now, you will be right in 15 seconds or one question down the line. But you may not be. Trump may be the craziest motherfucker there is (although from a far he is just a hapless president that couldn't or wouldn't do anything people were assuming he was willing to do), but the cyberpunkeque reality we are sliding into is crazier. And we all push. Because we all get our little fix of being on the right side of history (or least of the more vocal mob). We the culture warriors are zealots. And it will get a lot worse, before it gets better.
        MrMan 6y ago

atc 6y ago

> deliberately provoking violence ????

ReptileMan 6y ago

>It does seem like supporting the actions of a man deliberately provoking violence to overthrow a democratic result in a extra legal fashion should face consequences. And when we have banned the accounts of all people that have supported the riots and the violence in the summer I could probably agree. But in my opinion there were minor to none punishments for condoning the violent, not only the non violent protests.

marksbrown 6y ago
I'm not from the US and I don't care about your tit for tat childish partisan politics. Your leader held a rally in your capital and encouraged his followers to literally attack your democratic institutions and therefore democracy itself. His failure to support democratic norms have led, and potentially will lead, to further deaths in your country. This is the discussion that you need to face. I don't care about point scoring between two teams that obviously only support the extremely wealthy in your country. Good luck fixing it.
- ReptileMan 6y ago
  I am not from US, Trump is not my leader and I have no dog in this fight. Trump has not attacked my democratic institutions and has not caused any deaths in my country. So this is totally not the discussion I need to face. And neither of the two teams support the extremely wealthy in my country - putin does it. But if we talk about stuff requiring fixing - your attitude towards strangers on the internet could probably use some. The overzealousness spills in the real world. Keep it in check.
  - marksbrown 6y ago
    Attack ideas not people. I'm sorry you're offended, which is an irony given that you're arguing for free speech. From a neutral perspective, members of a government should support the institution of that government. Failure to do so undermines them. Deliberately attacking the institutions of government is quite literally sedition. If you wish to discuss how the US deals with violent protesters then I can't help you. Neither of us are there! The only reason this is relevant at all to anybody outside the US is the out-sized influence their government has on the world and the out-sized influence their corporations have on citizen's lives outside their own borders.
    - ReptileMan 6y ago
      I am not offended, merely amused. And yes - I was attacking the idea that we should write our angry/scolding/righteous response before we even get the basic situation correctly. If you are right now, you will be right in 15 seconds or one question down the line. But you may not be. Trump may be the craziest motherfucker there is (although from a far he is just a hapless president that couldn't or wouldn't do anything people were assuming he was willing to do), but the cyberpunkeque reality we are sliding into is crazier. And we all push. Because we all get our little fix of being on the right side of history (or least of the more vocal mob). We the culture warriors are zealots. And it will get a lot worse, before it gets better.
      - MrMan 6y ago