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Where’s the line? Do I need to think about unplugging my Google Home Mini? For the record, when I said I’d kill for some sushi, I didn’t mean it literally.
by peytn 6y ago
Where’s the line? Do I need to think about unplugging my Google Home Mini? For the record, when I said I’d kill for some sushi, I didn’t mean it literally.
- smcl 6y agoWell there’s a difference to using a well known idiom within the privacy of your own home, and inciting a crowd of thousands of fired up supporters to storm a government building in an attempt to disrupt the democratic process. But regardless you probably should unplug your google home or whatever other smart devices that listen all the time if you are concerned about privacy
- peytn 6y agoI’m aware that there is a difference. My question was at what point in between the two does it become not okay?
- user-the-name 6y agoI can pick a flower, but somehow I can't take all the money out of the vault of a bank! At what point in between does it become not okay?
- peytn 6y agoI decided a few years ago that my line would be banning a sitting president. I don’t consume political theater and don’t know what’s happening, but I’m going to stick to my principles. If what he’s done is so bad, there are ways to kick him out of office. I’m curious whether others have a line.
- user-the-name 6y agoThat is an incredibly specific and quite honestly massively weird line.
- smcl 6y agoYour question sounded rhetorical and implied there was a giant fuzzy area between talking to yourself and openly inciting an uprising. It appeared that you were sympathetic to Trump and wanted to suggest his ban was ridiculous - if this part is not true, I apologise. In reality for most purposes it's probably not quite so ambiguous. However, Google is well known on HN for yanking your account and various connected services from under your feet, being a giant black box and offering little recourse or support. So the only possible response is what I originally said: if you're concerned at all you should unplug your device.
- peytn 6y agoUnplugged. I feel like I still haven’t gotten a clear answer on whether there should be a limit on Google’s ability to control information on its platform and what that limit should be. Can Google route emails from its competitor’s recruiters to my spam folder? Can they choose not to do business with me if I contact their employees? What if I email the wrong politicians? Have we really reached the point where asking where the line is after the president is banned is seen as rhetorical? How can we make good decisions if we can’t have these discussions? It feels like we are working off a “common sense” that is shared only by those who consume political theater. I’m not sympathetic—-I don’t even know the story—-but I see what I perceive to be a lack of deliberation.
- smcl 6y agoShould there be a limit? Probably. What should that limit be? Well that's where I'm afraid nobody can provide you the definitive answer you are looking for. Not least me, I've enough on my plate at the moment and it deserves more time than I can give to it. As for the second point - you can surely see how your original comment could be interpreted how it was. Nobody replying wanted to shut down a discussion on the nuances of whether tech giants should restrict expression or activities on their platforms. However your comment was (inadvertently it seems) similar in flavour to an argument many of us have seen over and over from the far-right - holding up a very uncontroversial everyday thing and a very divisive hot-button issue and demanding to know how they are different. In that circumstance - and I am speaking from experience here - normally nothing good comes from engaging.
- godmode2019 6y agoWhy would you even have one of those? You could not pay me to have a device in my home always listening, logging my conversation, fights, signing, jokes, story telling. Speech pattern, volume, frequency at home, how often you have visitors, what I watch online without speakers. Either I'm a privacy activist or just old fashion. But I really can't get my head around people wanting these device in their homes. Can you share why the trade off is worth it for you?
- peytn 6y agoI’m asking where the line is so I can make that trade off. At present, it looks like the community has decided that I need to be silenced.
- godmode2019 6y agoI feel the line was crossed a very long time ago. This is a old video 'Don't talk to the police' (because all data they collect will be used against you.) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE I think similar videos with be made about tech companies collecting your data
- christophilus 6y agoWhat cell phone do you use? Most of them do that, but they aren’t confined to your home which makes them arguably worse.
- godmode2019 6y agoS5 with a custom os that let's me firewall the few apps I have.
- MrMan 6y agoIf you use one of those devices you have to accept what happenes within the limits of the law. I need to carry a phone but would never buy one those listening devices.
- peytn 6y agoI can vote and lobby for change. I’m asking where do others stand? If we don’t decide what is right, somebody else will.