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What a great time in history to encourage more conspiracy-minded thinking.

stretchcat 6y ago
I had the opposite first reaction; give the conspiracy theorists a big dump of juicy mostly harmless nonsense to sink their teeth into, to get their minds off the more disturbing stuff, if only by a little.
- knolax 6y ago
  I wouldn't call UFO conspiracy theories harmless given the past occurrence of UFO suicide cults like Heaven's Gate.
  - jsnk 6y ago
    You are assuming that suicide cults are somehow harmful to the goals of CIA.
  - piracy1 6y ago
    But that's not UFO centric, that's death cult centric.
  - stretchcat 6y ago
    This poll found that 33% of Americans believe alien spacecraft have visited earth: https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos-say-government-knows.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos... So while most people don't believe this stuff, it's not exactly fringe either. That's maybe a hundred million people who believe aliens are coming to earth, while Heaven's Gate was 41 people. Using belief in UFOs as the basis for a religion has happened a few times, but it's very fringe.
    - secfirstmd 6y ago
      To be fair a huge chunk of the American population and leadership believe a woman had a child without being inseminated by a man, that all of the animals in the world fit on an a big boat and that the Earth was created a few thousand years ago. By comparison aliens stopping by for a cigarette break on earth at some stage in the past 4.7 billion years sounds more likely.
      - stretchcat 6y ago
        Sure. My point here is that UFO belief can be characterized as mostly harmless. A few death cults have used it, but the vast majority of UFO believers aren't running off to join death cults.
- godzillabrennus 6y ago
  The fascists turned a pizza place into a conspiracy theory about pedophiles. They manufactured a conspiracy about some omnipotent leaker of facts and called this fictional character Q. UFO facts from government archives might make them declare war on the Pepe frog or some other bananas reaction.
mc32 6y ago
I know right. If Facebook gets a whiff of this, they’ll ban people for conspiratorial discussion and making stuff up.
therockspush 6y ago
As if the government hiding things is a conspiracy at this point. The official narrative has always been that if the masses found out about ET visiting us they would lose their shit. I don't think much would change even if this is how they found out. Its not like suddenly learning there are aliens means they don't have to go to work tomorrow.
thower234234 6y ago
I know right! It's like many of these conspiracies may actually be true! It's like the CIA invented the term to brow beat researchers of inconvenient theories. screaming la-la-la and putting fingers in ears
astrea 6y ago
I've been thinking that. Strange that suddenly UFO things are being declassified and important government figures are mentioning secret galactic federations.
- krapp 6y ago
  > important government figures are mentioning secret galactic federations One retired Israeli government employee said something about a "galactic federation[0]." Surreptitously making it plural makes it seem as if the entire UN security council was having secret meetings about it. [0]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space...
  - astrea 6y ago
    You're right, it was a singular person. It was the writing style (is there a better word for that?) That I was using.
- thunderrabbit 6y ago
  For a while Steven Greer has been saying the government is prepping for a false flag UFO "attack" to perpetuate war, this time against extra terrestrials.
  - thunderrabbit 6y ago
    By way of the Freedom of Information Act, thousands of the CIA documents on unidentified flying objects (UFOs) — or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), as the government calls them — are now accessible via download at the Black Vault, a website operated by author and podcaster John Greenwald Jr. The CIA claims they have now provided all the information on UAP they have, though there is no way to know that’s true. “Research by The Black Vault will continue to see if there are additional documents still uncovered within the CIA’s holdings,” Greenwald promised in a statement on his website. The release comes months before the Pentagon was due to brief Congress on all they know about UAP — a date dictated in the most recent COVID-19 relief bill, of all places, which passed in late December. The demands for alien intel became so many that the CIA eventually compiled it onto a CD-ROM, obtained by Greenwald and uploaded to the Black Vault, divvied into dozens of downloadable .PDFs. Dr. Greer's assessment is that this is a continuation of the slow but steady narrative that UFOs and ETI are real but that they are a threat. The ETs are NOT the threat as Dr. Greer has continually stated. The threat is the military industrial complex juggernaut towards interplanetary war. Please see his article : When Disclosure serves Secrecy. From Dr. Greer's paper: "Do not be deceived. You need to be awake to the darker scenarios which some would like to thrust upon the world. And you need to know that there are alternatives. If a ‘disclosure’ is unleashed on the world which is xenophobic, militaristic and terrifying, know that it comes from the spinmeisters of secrecy- regardless of how respectable the person or group may appear to be. And remember: Part of this disclosure plan involves the use of UFO look-alike devices made by humans in an attack on Earth or military assets of Earth. This would be a well-orchestrated use of advanced human technologies to hoax an ET attack- all for the purpose of disclosing the truth with the desired military-oriented spin. In such a scenario, most of humanity will be deceived into believing the threat from space has arrived – and that we must fight it at all costs. This is nothing more than long-term social security for the military-industrial complex. There must be people who can expose this fraud. .......... Here is another idea: Why don’t ‘we the people’ unite and launch a disclosure ......... An honest one. One which leads to peace, not war. To a sustainable and beautiful world, free of pollution and brimming with abundance, of all types. One which reaches out into the unknown, instead of firing particle beam weapons into the darkness of space."

I had the opposite first reaction; give the conspiracy theorists a big dump of juicy mostly harmless nonsense to sink their teeth into, to get their minds off the more disturbing stuff, if only by a little.

knolax 6y ago
I wouldn't call UFO conspiracy theories harmless given the past occurrence of UFO suicide cults like Heaven's Gate.
- jsnk 6y ago
  You are assuming that suicide cults are somehow harmful to the goals of CIA.
- piracy1 6y ago
  But that's not UFO centric, that's death cult centric.
- stretchcat 6y ago
  This poll found that 33% of Americans believe alien spacecraft have visited earth: https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos-say-government-knows.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/266441/americans-skeptical-ufos... So while most people don't believe this stuff, it's not exactly fringe either. That's maybe a hundred million people who believe aliens are coming to earth, while Heaven's Gate was 41 people. Using belief in UFOs as the basis for a religion has happened a few times, but it's very fringe.
  - secfirstmd 6y ago
    To be fair a huge chunk of the American population and leadership believe a woman had a child without being inseminated by a man, that all of the animals in the world fit on an a big boat and that the Earth was created a few thousand years ago. By comparison aliens stopping by for a cigarette break on earth at some stage in the past 4.7 billion years sounds more likely.
    - stretchcat 6y ago
      Sure. My point here is that UFO belief can be characterized as mostly harmless. A few death cults have used it, but the vast majority of UFO believers aren't running off to join death cults.
godzillabrennus 6y ago
The fascists turned a pizza place into a conspiracy theory about pedophiles. They manufactured a conspiracy about some omnipotent leaker of facts and called this fictional character Q. UFO facts from government archives might make them declare war on the Pepe frog or some other bananas reaction.

mc32 6y ago

I know right. If Facebook gets a whiff of this, they’ll ban people for conspiratorial discussion and making stuff up.

therockspush 6y ago

As if the government hiding things is a conspiracy at this point. The official narrative has always been that if the masses found out about ET visiting us they would lose their shit. I don't think much would change even if this is how they found out. Its not like suddenly learning there are aliens means they don't have to go to work tomorrow.

thower234234 6y ago

I know right! It's like many of these conspiracies may actually be true! It's like the CIA invented the term to brow beat researchers of inconvenient theories. screaming la-la-la and putting fingers in ears

astrea 6y ago

I've been thinking that. Strange that suddenly UFO things are being declassified and important government figures are mentioning secret galactic federations.

krapp 6y ago
> important government figures are mentioning secret galactic federations One retired Israeli government employee said something about a "galactic federation[0]." Surreptitously making it plural makes it seem as if the entire UN security council was having secret meetings about it. [0]https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-extraterrestrials-exist-trump-knows-n1250333 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/weird-news/former-israeli-space...
- astrea 6y ago
  You're right, it was a singular person. It was the writing style (is there a better word for that?) That I was using.
thunderrabbit 6y ago
For a while Steven Greer has been saying the government is prepping for a false flag UFO "attack" to perpetuate war, this time against extra terrestrials.
- thunderrabbit 6y ago
  By way of the Freedom of Information Act, thousands of the CIA documents on unidentified flying objects (UFOs) — or Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), as the government calls them — are now accessible via download at the Black Vault, a website operated by author and podcaster John Greenwald Jr. The CIA claims they have now provided all the information on UAP they have, though there is no way to know that’s true. “Research by The Black Vault will continue to see if there are additional documents still uncovered within the CIA’s holdings,” Greenwald promised in a statement on his website. The release comes months before the Pentagon was due to brief Congress on all they know about UAP — a date dictated in the most recent COVID-19 relief bill, of all places, which passed in late December. The demands for alien intel became so many that the CIA eventually compiled it onto a CD-ROM, obtained by Greenwald and uploaded to the Black Vault, divvied into dozens of downloadable .PDFs. Dr. Greer's assessment is that this is a continuation of the slow but steady narrative that UFOs and ETI are real but that they are a threat. The ETs are NOT the threat as Dr. Greer has continually stated. The threat is the military industrial complex juggernaut towards interplanetary war. Please see his article : When Disclosure serves Secrecy. From Dr. Greer's paper: "Do not be deceived. You need to be awake to the darker scenarios which some would like to thrust upon the world. And you need to know that there are alternatives. If a ‘disclosure’ is unleashed on the world which is xenophobic, militaristic and terrifying, know that it comes from the spinmeisters of secrecy- regardless of how respectable the person or group may appear to be. And remember: Part of this disclosure plan involves the use of UFO look-alike devices made by humans in an attack on Earth or military assets of Earth. This would be a well-orchestrated use of advanced human technologies to hoax an ET attack- all for the purpose of disclosing the truth with the desired military-oriented spin. In such a scenario, most of humanity will be deceived into believing the threat from space has arrived – and that we must fight it at all costs. This is nothing more than long-term social security for the military-industrial complex. There must be people who can expose this fraud. .......... Here is another idea: Why don’t ‘we the people’ unite and launch a disclosure ......... An honest one. One which leads to peace, not war. To a sustainable and beautiful world, free of pollution and brimming with abundance, of all types. One which reaches out into the unknown, instead of firing particle beam weapons into the darkness of space."