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Try reading any of the confederate states' articles of secession. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states https://

by sp332 6y ago

Try reading any of the confederate states' articles of secession. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... GA: The prohibition of slavery in the Territories, hostility to it everywhere, the equality of the black and white races, disregard of all constitutional guarantees in its favor, were boldly proclaimed by its leaders and applauded by its followers.... We refuse to submit to that judgment, and in vindication of our refusal we offer the Constitution of our country and point to the total absence of any express power to exclude us. MS: Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery SC: This sectional combination for the submersion of the Constitution, has been aided in some of the States by elevating to citizenship, persons who, by the supreme law of the land, are incapable of becoming citizens; and their votes have been used to inaugurate a new policy, hostile to the South, and destructive of its beliefs and safety. TX: We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

coldtea 6y ago
>Try reading any of the confederate states' articles of secession. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... Those are neither here, nor there. It's not a question about whether the South wanted to continue slavery, or the North wanted to end it. It's a question about whether the North's motive was slavery (as a moral/just cause), or other considerations (like state control, economic competition), to which slavery was a secondary effect they didn't want to leave to the South.
- selimthegrim 6y ago
  Lysander Spooner is dead. There's no need to rehash his arguments.
  - coldtea 6y ago
    Being dead is not the same as being wrong. It might be convenient to ignore arguments from dead people we don't agree with. But we seldom extend this to arguments from dead people we agree with.
- snowwrestler 6y ago
  It’s true that the North AKA the United States did not start the Civil War to end slavery. Mainly because the North did not start the Civil War at all. Southern states started the Civil War by seceding to form the Confederacy, and more specifically by attacking U.S. Fort Sumter, an act of war. They did that to preserve and expand slavery. So it’s still correct to say that the Civil War was about slavery.
  - Gibbon1 6y ago
    One thing I note is eight months after the civil war started France invaded Mexico. After the Civil War ended the US made sure they had to leave. And then helped Mexico kill Maximilian. I feel like in that context the South's attacks on the United States Southern coastal defenses wasn't acceptable. But yeah the south leaving the Union was all about slavery.

by sp332 6y ago

coldtea 6y ago

>Try reading any of the confederate states' articles of secession. https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declarati... Those are neither here, nor there. It's not a question about whether the South wanted to continue slavery, or the North wanted to end it. It's a question about whether the North's motive was slavery (as a moral/just cause), or other considerations (like state control, economic competition), to which slavery was a secondary effect they didn't want to leave to the South.

selimthegrim 6y ago
Lysander Spooner is dead. There's no need to rehash his arguments.
- coldtea 6y ago
  Being dead is not the same as being wrong. It might be convenient to ignore arguments from dead people we don't agree with. But we seldom extend this to arguments from dead people we agree with.
snowwrestler 6y ago
It’s true that the North AKA the United States did not start the Civil War to end slavery. Mainly because the North did not start the Civil War at all. Southern states started the Civil War by seceding to form the Confederacy, and more specifically by attacking U.S. Fort Sumter, an act of war. They did that to preserve and expand slavery. So it’s still correct to say that the Civil War was about slavery.
- Gibbon1 6y ago
  One thing I note is eight months after the civil war started France invaded Mexico. After the Civil War ended the US made sure they had to leave. And then helped Mexico kill Maximilian. I feel like in that context the South's attacks on the United States Southern coastal defenses wasn't acceptable. But yeah the south leaving the Union was all about slavery.