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It was people with guns and lead pipes, not lies, that hurt and killed people. The principle of free speech is the idea that open discussion and debate is suff
by humanrebar 6y ago
It was people with guns and lead pipes, not lies, that hurt and killed people.
The principle of free speech is the idea that open discussion and debate is sufficient to resolve conflicts of ideas. Using force to end discussion is not free expression.
Of course there are limitations when fraud, slander, threats, and the like. But those should be considered in trials by peers or judges as decided in a fair court with due process. Again, words, ideas, and fair institutions are the rule, not decisions by the involved parties who happen to have enough power to get their way.
At least that's the principle.
- rorykoehler 6y agoIncitement is violence.
- humanrebar 6y agoIncitement is akin to assault, yes. In that both invoke violence to overpower others. A threat of violence isn't an expression of an idea as such.
- strangattractor 6y agoThought experiment: Let us say that Anthony Fauci, well respected Dr., had a brain tumor and suddenly started telling people during a live TV interview to do something stupid and dangerous like drink bleach or expose their lungs to intense UV. Stuff so dangerous and stupid that only an idiot would think of it.. Should the broadcaster cut him off? I say YES!
- humanrebar 6y agoIf he's sick, you do not broadcast his mental illness out of decency and respect. That's not the interesting thought experiment. The interesting one is broadcasting true believers in their right minds. In those cases, you make the best argument possible to refute that drinking bleach us harmful... which honestly isn't that hard to make. The hard part is building up a reputation as being someone respectable and respectful enough to deserve attention. I think that silencing of sincerely held beliefs undermines efforts to actually persuade, inform, and make progress (and peace!).
- strangattractor 6y agoLot of good that does innocent children fed bleach by their parents. If you don't think stuff like that happens you are naive. https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/Man-Dies-Wife-Hospitalized-From-Ingesting-Fish-Tank-Cleaner-to-Prevent-COVID-19/57707 https://www.pharmacypracticenews.com/Covid-19/Article/03-20/...
- nobody9999 6y ago>The principle of free speech is the idea that open discussion and debate is sufficient to resolve conflicts of ideas. Using force to end discussion is not free expression. Absolutely. However, not all speech is protected speech. At least not in the US. Speech can also be part of a conspiracy. And conspiracy to commit criminal acts is a felony. Which is, as I understand it, what the issue is in this case. Apparently (if you take Amazon's word for it, and once the dump from Parler is available, we can see for ourselves if that's true), folks on Parler were planning acts of violence and insurrection on Parler. Again, that's my understanding. And if that is the case, it's not just folks exercising free speech. It's folks planning violence and insurrection against the US government. Those are absolutely crimes and not protected speech in the US. N.B.: IANAL