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Yesterday he was claiming that no one arrested was an active Parler user, he moves the goal posts https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1349028384110731264

Yesterday he was claiming that no one arrested was an active Parler user, he moves the goal posts https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/1349028384110731264?s=21 https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/13490283841107312...

sthnblllII 6y ago
I hadnt even heard of it before it was banned. Dismissing one of the few genuine voices on the left because of a misperception is supercilious. Edit: It looks like Greenwald wasnt even wrong about what he said, people are just accusing him of lying for some reason https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=20 https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=2... Edit: Has the left accomplished all of its goals? No? Then it needs to figure out what its doing wrong.
- brown9-2 6y ago
  I’m not dismissing him because of one mistake, I dismiss him because the only lens he looks at anything through anymore is how the it’s all actually the left or the media’s fault.
g0rbongler 6y ago
Yeah Greenwald has transformed into a conspiracy-nut / troll since leaving the Intercept and starting his substack.
- dralley 6y ago
  Looooong before then.
- sthnblllII 6y ago
  Would you like to make a substantive criticism or just use ad homonym?
  - lern_too_spel 6y ago
    It's ad hominem, and Greenwald has always been incompetent. Just look at his PRISM reporting, which he still hasn't issued a correction for and just never talks about anymore (not a single mention in his pardon rant on Substack) after apparently finally realizing how embarrassingly wrong his reporting was.
    - DevKoala 6y ago
      What was wrong about his reporting on PRISM?
      - lern_too_spel 6y ago
        It was entirely wrong. The slides he published very clearly showed that it was an integration project with the FBI. The companies sent the FBI data for specific accounts under court order, and that is the only data that PRISM ingested. Greenwald thought the NSA could access arbitrary accounts' data. He could easily have gotten this right (like the New York Times did the very next day and CNET and the rest of the tech media shortly after) if he had bothered to figure out what each piece of the diagrams meant or if he had consulted anybody who understood computers at all instead of just a high school dropout SharePoint admin — you know, journalism. https://images.theconversation.com/files/26668/original/ngwwvrjm-1372732363.jpg https://images.theconversation.com/files/26668/original/ngww... https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/technology/tech-companies-bristling-concede-to-government-surveillance-efforts.html?pagewanted=print https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/technology/tech-companies... https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-...
        DevKoala 6y ago
        IIRC that was Snowden’s claim too and he worked on it (I don’t have an exact text quote since this is from the Citizenfour doc), and the claim is that the data can be requested as long as the individual is suspected, which can be for something as frivolous as a ML look-alike match on traffic patterns. Also the key piece of the reporting was on the abuse of the Patriot’s act. Without Greenwald and Snowden the New York Times wouldn’t even touch the topic.
Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
Where did he move the goal posts? From the article... >Indeed, a Parler executive told me that of the thirteen people arrested as of Monday for the breach at the Capitol, none appear to be active users of Parler. The Capitol breach was planned far more on Facebook and YouTube The tweet you linked shows a post on parler dated November 16. That's not evidence the poster was an "active user of Parler". In fact, it suggests the opposite. All we know is he made one post in November.
- dralley 6y ago
  The "viking guy" who has been talked about probably moreso than any other single rioter is and was active on Parler. https://web.archive.org/web/20210106213432/https://parler.com/profile/JakeAngeli/posts https://web.archive.org/web/20210106213432/https://parler.co... https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2021/01/11/jake-angeli-arizona-seen-us-capitol-raid-fur-hat-horns-federal-court-hearing/6625619002/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/... So this claim is trivially falsifiable with even the most minimal journalistic effort.
  - Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
    He's not listed as part of the 13 people charged by the DoJ. It's possible that he was arrested later. But Glenn didn't lie here. So the parler exec probably looked at this list, checked to see if any one of these people used his platform, and found none did. Then he told Glenn. However, more people have since been charged. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-charged-federal-court-following-riot-united-states-capitol https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-charged-federal-cour...
    - dralley 6y ago
      The entire point was silly to begin with. Why start doing victory laps over the first 13 people? What's so special about them? Nothing.
      - 6y ago

sthnblllII 6y ago

I hadnt even heard of it before it was banned. Dismissing one of the few genuine voices on the left because of a misperception is supercilious. Edit: It looks like Greenwald wasnt even wrong about what he said, people are just accusing him of lying for some reason https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=20 https://twitter.com/evanchill/status/1349097133186707457?s=2... Edit: Has the left accomplished all of its goals? No? Then it needs to figure out what its doing wrong.

brown9-2 6y ago
I’m not dismissing him because of one mistake, I dismiss him because the only lens he looks at anything through anymore is how the it’s all actually the left or the media’s fault.

g0rbongler 6y ago

Yeah Greenwald has transformed into a conspiracy-nut / troll since leaving the Intercept and starting his substack.

dralley 6y ago
Looooong before then.
sthnblllII 6y ago
Would you like to make a substantive criticism or just use ad homonym?
- lern_too_spel 6y ago
  It's ad hominem, and Greenwald has always been incompetent. Just look at his PRISM reporting, which he still hasn't issued a correction for and just never talks about anymore (not a single mention in his pardon rant on Substack) after apparently finally realizing how embarrassingly wrong his reporting was.
  - DevKoala 6y ago
    What was wrong about his reporting on PRISM?
    - lern_too_spel 6y ago
      It was entirely wrong. The slides he published very clearly showed that it was an integration project with the FBI. The companies sent the FBI data for specific accounts under court order, and that is the only data that PRISM ingested. Greenwald thought the NSA could access arbitrary accounts' data. He could easily have gotten this right (like the New York Times did the very next day and CNET and the rest of the tech media shortly after) if he had bothered to figure out what each piece of the diagrams meant or if he had consulted anybody who understood computers at all instead of just a high school dropout SharePoint admin — you know, journalism. https://images.theconversation.com/files/26668/original/ngwwvrjm-1372732363.jpg https://images.theconversation.com/files/26668/original/ngww... https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/technology/tech-companies-bristling-concede-to-government-surveillance-efforts.html?pagewanted=print https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/08/technology/tech-companies... https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-to-tech-companies/ https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-...
      - DevKoala 6y ago
        IIRC that was Snowden’s claim too and he worked on it (I don’t have an exact text quote since this is from the Citizenfour doc), and the claim is that the data can be requested as long as the individual is suspected, which can be for something as frivolous as a ML look-alike match on traffic patterns. Also the key piece of the reporting was on the abuse of the Patriot’s act. Without Greenwald and Snowden the New York Times wouldn’t even touch the topic.

Acrobatic_Road 6y ago

Where did he move the goal posts? From the article... >Indeed, a Parler executive told me that of the thirteen people arrested as of Monday for the breach at the Capitol, none appear to be active users of Parler. The Capitol breach was planned far more on Facebook and YouTube The tweet you linked shows a post on parler dated November 16. That's not evidence the poster was an "active user of Parler". In fact, it suggests the opposite. All we know is he made one post in November.

dralley 6y ago
The "viking guy" who has been talked about probably moreso than any other single rioter is and was active on Parler. https://web.archive.org/web/20210106213432/https://parler.com/profile/JakeAngeli/posts https://web.archive.org/web/20210106213432/https://parler.co... https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2021/01/11/jake-angeli-arizona-seen-us-capitol-raid-fur-hat-horns-federal-court-hearing/6625619002/ https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/... So this claim is trivially falsifiable with even the most minimal journalistic effort.
- Acrobatic_Road 6y ago
  He's not listed as part of the 13 people charged by the DoJ. It's possible that he was arrested later. But Glenn didn't lie here. So the parler exec probably looked at this list, checked to see if any one of these people used his platform, and found none did. Then he told Glenn. However, more people have since been charged. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-charged-federal-court-following-riot-united-states-capitol https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/thirteen-charged-federal-cour...
  - dralley 6y ago
    The entire point was silly to begin with. Why start doing victory laps over the first 13 people? What's so special about them? Nothing.
    - 6y ago