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I used to work at a company with a 100 year old brand, and they took their perception seriously. Every few years, they conducted a brand audit and I got to atte

by madrox 6y ago

I used to work at a company with a 100 year old brand, and they took their perception seriously. Every few years, they conducted a brand audit and I got to attend an internal presentation on how they do it. Along the way, they mentioned that Facebook has the same brand perception as the IRS. This was about eight years ago. So yeah, I can also see auditors not wanting to wear their IRS swag...especially during tax season.

newacct583 6y ago
What is wrong with this site?! They aren't talking about popularity. They are talking about violence. They aren't saying that Facebook people are ashamed and trying to hide their affiliation. They are saying they think they'll get hurt because of where they work. What can't we take this seriously? There was a right wing terror attack just days ago, rhetoric all over the internet is filled with imagery of violence and revolt and retribution. And all anyone wants to talk about is the spin directed in the other direction about who is culpable, and whether or not content moderation and censorship are the same thing, and whether or not it actually constituted a coup. But, people got hurt and killed on Wednesday, and the same communities continue to threaten the same kind of thing. Is it so hard to believe that people at Facebook or Twitter or wherever, who are geeks just like us, are genuinely afraid right now? I'll take my downvotes now, thanks.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  It is unclear what exactly you are objecting to.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > Is it so hard to believe that people at Facebook or Twitter or wherever, who are geeks just like us, are genuinely afraid right now? The person you replied to didn't suggest otherwise. You seem to be ranting at someone who is just pointing out that being associated with Facebook is much like being associated with the IRS... another very unpopular and potentially dangerous job.
- cmdshiftf4 6y ago
  Who could have foreseen that choosing to contribute to some of the most, if not the most, intentionally polarizing and toxic technology the world has ever seen may have consequences? Obviously physical violence in reaction to non-physical action(s) is completely uncalled for. People shouldn’t be afraid to work for Google, Facebook and Twitter for fear of physical retribution. They should be utterly ashamed and embarrassed to though.
jeofken 6y ago
I worked for the IRS in a country in Europe. When working there in IT, I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation of how many careers we spent, with career being average yearly salary *40yrs. I also thought about how the money for my project came from coercion - the customer had no option to cancel the service we provided them, or to select a provider who gives them a better deal, or to simply manage their welfare and insurance by themselves (the biggest expenses of welfare state). My coworkers would talk about tax payers in a demeaning tone - as if they rightfully owed us something. After a few months if thinking I followed the gut feeling and quit. I encourage anyone working for their “public sector” and especially tax departments to think about the morality of your work, and remember that life is like 80 years if you’re lucky, so spend it on productive and useful things - not the kind of parasitic work that happens at IRSs around the world
- drummer 6y ago
  Congrats man. I similarly decided never to work for any government or connected organization ever again when I realized all governments are criminal orgs comparable to the mafia, living off of theft and extortion, basically slavery ('taxation').
  - jeofken 6y ago
    Thanks. While I had an uneasy feeling at the time, it was people on the internet who put words on what I did wrong, and I am grateful to them. These people are sadly getting banned and downvoted by the majority on pretty much every platform. In those moments I remember Socrates, who was sentenced to death for his heresy - but now lives forever as the greatest philosopher of all times.
    - drummer 6y ago
      Yep it is not easy to admit you were wrong and to have to make such drastic changes in your life. Especially not in the current climate. I had to do the same thing, and it is difficult, but also rewarding in a spiritual sense. Much respect to you, and good luck.
- 6y ago

by madrox 6y ago

newacct583 6y ago

What is wrong with this site?! They aren't talking about popularity. They are talking about violence. They aren't saying that Facebook people are ashamed and trying to hide their affiliation. They are saying they think they'll get hurt because of where they work. What can't we take this seriously? There was a right wing terror attack just days ago, rhetoric all over the internet is filled with imagery of violence and revolt and retribution. And all anyone wants to talk about is the spin directed in the other direction about who is culpable, and whether or not content moderation and censorship are the same thing, and whether or not it actually constituted a coup. But, people got hurt and killed on Wednesday, and the same communities continue to threaten the same kind of thing. Is it so hard to believe that people at Facebook or Twitter or wherever, who are geeks just like us, are genuinely afraid right now? I'll take my downvotes now, thanks.

s1artibartfast 6y ago
It is unclear what exactly you are objecting to.
ogre_codes 6y ago
> Is it so hard to believe that people at Facebook or Twitter or wherever, who are geeks just like us, are genuinely afraid right now? The person you replied to didn't suggest otherwise. You seem to be ranting at someone who is just pointing out that being associated with Facebook is much like being associated with the IRS... another very unpopular and potentially dangerous job.
cmdshiftf4 6y ago
Who could have foreseen that choosing to contribute to some of the most, if not the most, intentionally polarizing and toxic technology the world has ever seen may have consequences? Obviously physical violence in reaction to non-physical action(s) is completely uncalled for. People shouldn’t be afraid to work for Google, Facebook and Twitter for fear of physical retribution. They should be utterly ashamed and embarrassed to though.

jeofken 6y ago

I worked for the IRS in a country in Europe. When working there in IT, I did a back-of-the-envelope calculation of how many careers we spent, with career being average yearly salary *40yrs. I also thought about how the money for my project came from coercion - the customer had no option to cancel the service we provided them, or to select a provider who gives them a better deal, or to simply manage their welfare and insurance by themselves (the biggest expenses of welfare state). My coworkers would talk about tax payers in a demeaning tone - as if they rightfully owed us something. After a few months if thinking I followed the gut feeling and quit. I encourage anyone working for their “public sector” and especially tax departments to think about the morality of your work, and remember that life is like 80 years if you’re lucky, so spend it on productive and useful things - not the kind of parasitic work that happens at IRSs around the world

drummer 6y ago
Congrats man. I similarly decided never to work for any government or connected organization ever again when I realized all governments are criminal orgs comparable to the mafia, living off of theft and extortion, basically slavery ('taxation').
- jeofken 6y ago
  Thanks. While I had an uneasy feeling at the time, it was people on the internet who put words on what I did wrong, and I am grateful to them. These people are sadly getting banned and downvoted by the majority on pretty much every platform. In those moments I remember Socrates, who was sentenced to death for his heresy - but now lives forever as the greatest philosopher of all times.
  - drummer 6y ago
    Yep it is not easy to admit you were wrong and to have to make such drastic changes in your life. Especially not in the current climate. I had to do the same thing, and it is difficult, but also rewarding in a spiritual sense. Much respect to you, and good luck.
6y ago