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More than the hardware, I want a macOS competitor that doesn't require me to grow a neck beard or have a voice assistant built in.

mhh__ 6y ago
> macOS competitor that doesn't require me to grow a neck beard or have a voice assistant built in. What is genuinely so bad about Linux these days? Although I like playing with low-level stuff, I derive zero pleasure from OS-fettling and I just stuck Mint on my laptop - it's been basically perfect apart from a problem with the dual-boot setup which I think is an SSD problem waiting to explode. Half the time I read these complaints, I either see people who actually already have neck beards in denial, or people who are expecting Linux or Windows to be identical to macOS.
- systemvoltage 6y ago
  Everytime I install Linux, there is always something that's frustrating. Like the other day, I couldn't watch NYTimes video in fullscreen mode without Chrome crashing. Ok, so, I installed Firefox. Fullscreen video goes to my vertical monitor. No way to change this behavior. Desktop Linux is developed by people who love CLI. It's not built by people that try to address problems of common mundane people off the street. I'd rather use Windows than Linux for daily driver. Atleast UI will not freak out like in Ubuntu. Half the time I read people saying have you tried Linux Desktop, I either see people who are tasteless and love being nerdy with tmux environment, or people who are expecting others to be like themselves. As Linus Torvalds would plainly put "Desktop Linux sucks. It is the worst piece of shit attempt at Desktop OS". :-)
  - jdironman 6y ago
    Then we need to fund the developers working on this. Money makes things happen. Simple as that.
    - nine_k 6y ago
      This is truth, but not the whole truth. Beside money, you need somebody with a right vision at helm. Look at the direction modern Gnome goes. They have the money from Red Hat and Canonical. BTW systemd too was developed by salaried employees of Red Hat. Money makes things happen, but not always the nicest things.
      - bserge 6y ago
        And there simply is no helm. Who do you donate to? Not that an individual donation would make a difference, anyway. There's now, what, 3 forks of RHEL? People are free to do what they want, of course, but this doesn't help Linux at all.
      - Denvercoder9 6y ago
        > BTW systemd too was developed by salaried employees of Red Hat. For all its faults, systemd was a major step forward for a system to "just work".
    - systemvoltage 6y ago
      Definitely. I like the idea of open source quality Desktop OS, but not acknowledging issues with it is not helping.
    - skocznymroczny 6y ago
      I disagree. Even with money, there's too much fragmentation in the Linux ecosystem, and while choice is nice, the parts often don't play well with each other. What Linux needs is more big companies taking over and forcing their direction. Ubuntu and Fedora did a lot for desktop Linux, because they forced some controversial decisions upon the community, instead of being stuck in endless battle of supporting every legacy toolkit and supporting every fork that comes up whenever a controversial decision occurs.
  - LolTwo 6y ago
    I love Linux, and I use it every day, but I sincerely believe it does not have a future on the desktop.
  - mkl 6y ago
    Are you using the Nouveau graphics driver? Chrome reliably crashes my machine with Nouveau (though nothing else seems to). After I install NVidia's driver, it's rock solid. I get far more UI freakouts in Windows.
  - sliken 6y ago
    Google chrome, linux, and Nvidia are the best bet on trifectas. Full screen video works, cool new webGL pages work well, games work well (steam has quite a few that work with proton), stable (can login for months), netflix, amazon prime, youtube, etc just works full screen or in a window. Most of the glitchy stuff I've seen like you describe is either nvidia+nouveu driver, or AMD's GPUs.
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Aka ChromeOS has won the Web.
  - sergeykish 6y ago
    Desktop Linux is developed by people who develop Linux. Our operating system in an outlet for so many cultures — privacy minded, seeking freedom or free, people who hack and patch, etc, etc. And your first instinct is to take it away, make it another Windows/macOs for you who don't even run Linux. I feel sorry for people who tried to help you, that's you who expect others to be like yourself. Linux gives me the system I want — functional understood minimalist retro style [1]. And I am not alone [2], these are not tasteless, that's my home. Get off my lawn! [1] http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      Pity that so many of such "Linux developers" rather live in macOS and cross develop to GNU/Linux, instead of sponsoring Linux hardware OEMs.
arvinsim 6y ago
I sold my Hackintosh this year to upgrade. Since I didn't want to deal with setting up a Hackintosh again, I decided to go Linux for my development work after finding WSL2 unsatisfactory. I shopped around for Linux distributions and finally settled on Pop!_OS. I loved it. No fiddling needed and the user experience is the closest to MacOS I have gotten.

mhh__ 6y ago

> macOS competitor that doesn't require me to grow a neck beard or have a voice assistant built in. What is genuinely so bad about Linux these days? Although I like playing with low-level stuff, I derive zero pleasure from OS-fettling and I just stuck Mint on my laptop - it's been basically perfect apart from a problem with the dual-boot setup which I think is an SSD problem waiting to explode. Half the time I read these complaints, I either see people who actually already have neck beards in denial, or people who are expecting Linux or Windows to be identical to macOS.

systemvoltage 6y ago
Everytime I install Linux, there is always something that's frustrating. Like the other day, I couldn't watch NYTimes video in fullscreen mode without Chrome crashing. Ok, so, I installed Firefox. Fullscreen video goes to my vertical monitor. No way to change this behavior. Desktop Linux is developed by people who love CLI. It's not built by people that try to address problems of common mundane people off the street. I'd rather use Windows than Linux for daily driver. Atleast UI will not freak out like in Ubuntu. Half the time I read people saying have you tried Linux Desktop, I either see people who are tasteless and love being nerdy with tmux environment, or people who are expecting others to be like themselves. As Linus Torvalds would plainly put "Desktop Linux sucks. It is the worst piece of shit attempt at Desktop OS". :-)
- jdironman 6y ago
  Then we need to fund the developers working on this. Money makes things happen. Simple as that.
  - nine_k 6y ago
    This is truth, but not the whole truth. Beside money, you need somebody with a right vision at helm. Look at the direction modern Gnome goes. They have the money from Red Hat and Canonical. BTW systemd too was developed by salaried employees of Red Hat. Money makes things happen, but not always the nicest things.
    - bserge 6y ago
      And there simply is no helm. Who do you donate to? Not that an individual donation would make a difference, anyway. There's now, what, 3 forks of RHEL? People are free to do what they want, of course, but this doesn't help Linux at all.
    - Denvercoder9 6y ago
      > BTW systemd too was developed by salaried employees of Red Hat. For all its faults, systemd was a major step forward for a system to "just work".
  - systemvoltage 6y ago
    Definitely. I like the idea of open source quality Desktop OS, but not acknowledging issues with it is not helping.
  - skocznymroczny 6y ago
    I disagree. Even with money, there's too much fragmentation in the Linux ecosystem, and while choice is nice, the parts often don't play well with each other. What Linux needs is more big companies taking over and forcing their direction. Ubuntu and Fedora did a lot for desktop Linux, because they forced some controversial decisions upon the community, instead of being stuck in endless battle of supporting every legacy toolkit and supporting every fork that comes up whenever a controversial decision occurs.
- LolTwo 6y ago
  I love Linux, and I use it every day, but I sincerely believe it does not have a future on the desktop.
- mkl 6y ago
  Are you using the Nouveau graphics driver? Chrome reliably crashes my machine with Nouveau (though nothing else seems to). After I install NVidia's driver, it's rock solid. I get far more UI freakouts in Windows.
- sliken 6y ago
  Google chrome, linux, and Nvidia are the best bet on trifectas. Full screen video works, cool new webGL pages work well, games work well (steam has quite a few that work with proton), stable (can login for months), netflix, amazon prime, youtube, etc just works full screen or in a window. Most of the glitchy stuff I've seen like you describe is either nvidia+nouveu driver, or AMD's GPUs.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Aka ChromeOS has won the Web.
- sergeykish 6y ago
  Desktop Linux is developed by people who develop Linux. Our operating system in an outlet for so many cultures — privacy minded, seeking freedom or free, people who hack and patch, etc, etc. And your first instinct is to take it away, make it another Windows/macOs for you who don't even run Linux. I feel sorry for people who tried to help you, that's you who expect others to be like yourself. Linux gives me the system I want — functional understood minimalist retro style [1]. And I am not alone [2], these are not tasteless, that's my home. Get off my lawn! [1] http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png [2] https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/ https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Pity that so many of such "Linux developers" rather live in macOS and cross develop to GNU/Linux, instead of sponsoring Linux hardware OEMs.

arvinsim 6y ago

I sold my Hackintosh this year to upgrade. Since I didn't want to deal with setting up a Hackintosh again, I decided to go Linux for my development work after finding WSL2 unsatisfactory. I shopped around for Linux distributions and finally settled on Pop!_OS. I loved it. No fiddling needed and the user experience is the closest to MacOS I have gotten.