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> It's either "you allow all speech or it's immoral" Not really. There's not currently any huge controversy about banning spammers, DDoS attacks, or child porn

> It's either "you allow all speech or it's immoral" Not really. There's not currently any huge controversy about banning spammers, DDoS attacks, or child pornography. A few fringe groups will argue it, but most sensible discussion concedes that censorship is useful and we need limits.

quotemstr 6y ago
None of these things is a viewpoint. The objection is that tech companies shouldn't get to decide what viewpoints are allowed.
- giantrobot 6y ago
  Tech companies aren't deciding what viewpoints are allowed. They are exercising their right of freedom of association. Parler's moderation policies caused their own problems. They decided they wanted to be a platform friendly to violent extremists. Their noted lack of moderation of violent rhetoric, calls to violence, and planning of violence made them a pariah. Amazon is free to associate with whoever they want. They don't owe service to Parler or anyone else.
  - humanrebar 6y ago
    So tech companies are editorial institutions? I thought they were platforms. And it's not as if you can just go to the social media network down the street. Sites like Parler are trying to be those alternatives, and it's a tough business to even be #2 in. Higher quality people might not like the seedy pawn shop in that strip mall with all the WW2 memorabilia, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to try to do business.
    - giantrobot 6y ago
      Where do you get me suggesting cloud provider companies are editorial institutions? That's just asinine. By choosing not to business with Parler they're exercising their freedom of assembly. They can't be compelled to do business with Parler. This has nothing at all to do with editorial anything. AWS is just infrastructure you pay to use and have to agree to their terms of service. No part of AWS or Twilio fall under common carrier regulations. They can choose with whom they do business. They would and do cancel service for clients doing illegal things or against their TOS. Amazon doesn't owe Parler a viable business. Parler made themselves into a toxic environment that drove third parties to abandon them.
      - humanrebar 6y ago
        An editor expresses a viewpoint through curation. Curating a feed is an editorial activity.

quotemstr 6y ago

None of these things is a viewpoint. The objection is that tech companies shouldn't get to decide what viewpoints are allowed.

giantrobot 6y ago
Tech companies aren't deciding what viewpoints are allowed. They are exercising their right of freedom of association. Parler's moderation policies caused their own problems. They decided they wanted to be a platform friendly to violent extremists. Their noted lack of moderation of violent rhetoric, calls to violence, and planning of violence made them a pariah. Amazon is free to associate with whoever they want. They don't owe service to Parler or anyone else.
- humanrebar 6y ago
  So tech companies are editorial institutions? I thought they were platforms. And it's not as if you can just go to the social media network down the street. Sites like Parler are trying to be those alternatives, and it's a tough business to even be #2 in. Higher quality people might not like the seedy pawn shop in that strip mall with all the WW2 memorabilia, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to try to do business.
  - giantrobot 6y ago
    Where do you get me suggesting cloud provider companies are editorial institutions? That's just asinine. By choosing not to business with Parler they're exercising their freedom of assembly. They can't be compelled to do business with Parler. This has nothing at all to do with editorial anything. AWS is just infrastructure you pay to use and have to agree to their terms of service. No part of AWS or Twilio fall under common carrier regulations. They can choose with whom they do business. They would and do cancel service for clients doing illegal things or against their TOS. Amazon doesn't owe Parler a viable business. Parler made themselves into a toxic environment that drove third parties to abandon them.
    - humanrebar 6y ago
      An editor expresses a viewpoint through curation. Curating a feed is an editorial activity.