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It’s worth taking a step back here too and remembering that the speech Parler is being kicked off AWS for isn’t protected under 1FA either. There is no protect

It’s worth taking a step back here too and remembering that the speech Parler is being kicked off AWS for isn’t protected under 1FA either. There is no protection for calls to violence.

gwright 6y ago
Well, is it Parler's speech or the speech of it users? I don't think anyone has asserted that Parler or its employees are advocating violence.
- three_seagrass 6y ago
  Parler's inaction and bad faith moderation has enabled the calls to violence. This is a violation of AWS's TOS which is why they're breaking it.
  - gwright 6y ago
    I understand that. Not disputing that. But that is an entirely different (as in not the same) thing than being the source of the violent/illegal threats or incitement. The comment I was responding to was misleading IMHO ("the speech Parler is being kicked off AWS for"). As you point out, they aren't being kicked off "for speech" they are being kicked off for insufficient moderation of someone else's speech, which speaks to the difficulties of being an at-scale content provider.
    - peteretep 6y ago
      Content moderation at scale is hard and expensive, but so is regulating emissions from industrial processes, and we don’t (or at least shouldn’t?) throw up our hands and say “let’s not bother then”. Again though, we’re getting lost in the weeds here. Parler’s entire selling point, and the only reason it had any users or any product, was the implicit promise that “we won’t moderate content”.
    - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
      The difference is that Parler considers their lack of moderation a feature and even advertises it.
      - ehsankia 6y ago
        Yeah, when you advertise your platform as "Twitter but without the strict moderation", and then people find a ton of calls for violence on your platform, it's a little hard to argue you were actually trying to moderate said content. Maybe they were, it'll be tricky to show it for certain from our vantage point, but it certainly doesn't help their case that the whole point of platform that they weren't going to moderate said content.
      - coffeefirst 6y ago
        And wink, wink, nudge, nudge because everyone knows what they mean by that. You can’t build a platform for organizing murders, knowingly allow users to organize murders on your site, and then claim it’s not your fault because technically you aren’t responsible for UGC. Surely there’s a line where it’s just a veneer of an excuse.
        gwright 6y ago
        Honest question(s): Is it possible to build a platform with user generated content that is agnostic regarding the content in the same way that a traditional telco is agnostic about the content of phone calls (or SMS)? Is the difference that the messages are private rather than public? We don't expect telco's to create filters or to independently moderate or to block the content of phone calls or SMS messages and basically legal mechanisms must be used to trigger any action against a subscriber. I realize that this is largely due to the legal framework of a "common carrier". What I'm asking is, what would a "common carrier" look like for platform that had user generated content? Perhaps it isn't possible?
        peteretep 6y ago
        What you're describing is an end-to-end encrypted messaging app.
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- nwsm 6y ago
  It doesn't matter. Apple/AWS are using the lack of moderation of unprotected speech to not host them.
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3131s 6y ago
Ban reddit then. There were guillotine memes with 50k upvotes on reddit right before the "insurrection" happened!
- peteretep 6y ago
  Reddit makes a good-faith effort to moderate
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It’s worth taking a step back here too and remembering that the speech Parler is being kicked off AWS for isn’t protected under 1FA either. There is no protection for calls to violence.

gwright 6y ago

Well, is it Parler's speech or the speech of it users? I don't think anyone has asserted that Parler or its employees are advocating violence.

three_seagrass 6y ago
Parler's inaction and bad faith moderation has enabled the calls to violence. This is a violation of AWS's TOS which is why they're breaking it.
- gwright 6y ago
  I understand that. Not disputing that. But that is an entirely different (as in not the same) thing than being the source of the violent/illegal threats or incitement. The comment I was responding to was misleading IMHO ("the speech Parler is being kicked off AWS for"). As you point out, they aren't being kicked off "for speech" they are being kicked off for insufficient moderation of someone else's speech, which speaks to the difficulties of being an at-scale content provider.
  - peteretep 6y ago
    Content moderation at scale is hard and expensive, but so is regulating emissions from industrial processes, and we don’t (or at least shouldn’t?) throw up our hands and say “let’s not bother then”. Again though, we’re getting lost in the weeds here. Parler’s entire selling point, and the only reason it had any users or any product, was the implicit promise that “we won’t moderate content”.
  - Sohcahtoa82 6y ago
    The difference is that Parler considers their lack of moderation a feature and even advertises it.
    - ehsankia 6y ago
      Yeah, when you advertise your platform as "Twitter but without the strict moderation", and then people find a ton of calls for violence on your platform, it's a little hard to argue you were actually trying to moderate said content. Maybe they were, it'll be tricky to show it for certain from our vantage point, but it certainly doesn't help their case that the whole point of platform that they weren't going to moderate said content.
    - coffeefirst 6y ago
      And wink, wink, nudge, nudge because everyone knows what they mean by that. You can’t build a platform for organizing murders, knowingly allow users to organize murders on your site, and then claim it’s not your fault because technically you aren’t responsible for UGC. Surely there’s a line where it’s just a veneer of an excuse.
      - gwright 6y ago
        Honest question(s): Is it possible to build a platform with user generated content that is agnostic regarding the content in the same way that a traditional telco is agnostic about the content of phone calls (or SMS)? Is the difference that the messages are private rather than public? We don't expect telco's to create filters or to independently moderate or to block the content of phone calls or SMS messages and basically legal mechanisms must be used to trigger any action against a subscriber. I realize that this is largely due to the legal framework of a "common carrier". What I'm asking is, what would a "common carrier" look like for platform that had user generated content? Perhaps it isn't possible?
        peteretep 6y ago
        What you're describing is an end-to-end encrypted messaging app.
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nwsm 6y ago
It doesn't matter. Apple/AWS are using the lack of moderation of unprotected speech to not host them.

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3131s 6y ago

Ban reddit then. There were guillotine memes with 50k upvotes on reddit right before the "insurrection" happened!

peteretep 6y ago
Reddit makes a good-faith effort to moderate
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