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That’s a bit rich. The same could be argued about Huawei. The rules in the US are don’t be agent for a foreign government, but Huawei wouldn’t agree to that. So

That’s a bit rich. The same could be argued about Huawei. The rules in the US are don’t be agent for a foreign government, but Huawei wouldn’t agree to that. So it’s also their own choice.

mytailorisrich 6y ago
That's (bad) whataboutism, and nothing to do with my comment. > The rules in the US are don’t be agent for a foreign government, but Huawei wouldn’t agree to that. I'll bite: If you have proof, or even actual evidence, of any part of that statement, I am sure the public at large would be very interested. Unfortunately this topic always leads to this sort of low effort reply and a sensible discussion is never possible.
- sonotmyname 6y ago
  > https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs-reveal-alleged-links-chinese-intelligence-agencies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs... > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-employees-linked-to-chinas-state-intelligence-agencies-report-claims/?sh=5c576a554b24 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-em... > https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-officials-say-huawei-can-covertly-access-telecom-networks-11581452256 https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-officials-say-huawei-can-co... This is not news. Aside from the spying, Huawei has zero regard for Intellectual Property law, as demonstrated by numerous cases of stolen code, designs, and even wholesale products.
  - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
    "US officials say ..." - That counts for very little. Where's the evidence? The other stories are about some of Huawei's employees having on their CV that they've worked with the PLA and other government agencies. By that metric, what major US company isn't connected to the US government? > numerous cases of stolen code, designs, and even wholesale products. This is a huge exaggeration. Huawei has had IP disputes with other companies, and there have been some allegations like T-Mobile's claims about its "Tappy" robot being copied, but this is all relatively minor stuff for a massive company. Compared to the IP disputes between Apple and Samsung, for example, this is peanuts. On the other hand, Huawei is one of the largest R&D spenders in the world now.
    - eggsome 6y ago
      What about GPL violations: https://twitter.com/huaweimobile/status/256672638154457088 https://twitter.com/huaweimobile/status/256672638154457088 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=242136 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=242...
      - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
        It looks like you're throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. Pick any large company and you'll find numerous tiny incidents like this.
- throw48573 6y ago
  It's surprising how facts like this are downvoted simply because people don't like hearing the truth. I can understand it happening on Reddit, but really thought HN would have more knowledgeable users. The fact is Microsoft and Apple follow Chinese laws and they operate there with no issues, while Facebook and Twitter do not. Google was even going to reenter the Chinese market but was shamed into abandoning that project.

That’s a bit rich. The same could be argued about Huawei. The rules in the US are don’t be agent for a foreign government, but Huawei wouldn’t agree to that. So it’s also their own choice.

mytailorisrich 6y ago

That's (bad) whataboutism, and nothing to do with my comment. > The rules in the US are don’t be agent for a foreign government, but Huawei wouldn’t agree to that. I'll bite: If you have proof, or even actual evidence, of any part of that statement, I am sure the public at large would be very interested. Unfortunately this topic always leads to this sort of low effort reply and a sensible discussion is never possible.

sonotmyname 6y ago
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs-reveal-alleged-links-chinese-intelligence-agencies/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs... > https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-employees-linked-to-chinas-state-intelligence-agencies-report-claims/?sh=5c576a554b24 https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-em... > https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-officials-say-huawei-can-covertly-access-telecom-networks-11581452256 https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-officials-say-huawei-can-co... This is not news. Aside from the spying, Huawei has zero regard for Intellectual Property law, as demonstrated by numerous cases of stolen code, designs, and even wholesale products.
- DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
  "US officials say ..." - That counts for very little. Where's the evidence? The other stories are about some of Huawei's employees having on their CV that they've worked with the PLA and other government agencies. By that metric, what major US company isn't connected to the US government? > numerous cases of stolen code, designs, and even wholesale products. This is a huge exaggeration. Huawei has had IP disputes with other companies, and there have been some allegations like T-Mobile's claims about its "Tappy" robot being copied, but this is all relatively minor stuff for a massive company. Compared to the IP disputes between Apple and Samsung, for example, this is peanuts. On the other hand, Huawei is one of the largest R&D spenders in the world now.
  - eggsome 6y ago
    What about GPL violations: https://twitter.com/huaweimobile/status/256672638154457088 https://twitter.com/huaweimobile/status/256672638154457088 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=242136 https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=66&topicid=242...
    - DiogenesKynikos 6y ago
      It looks like you're throwing spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks. Pick any large company and you'll find numerous tiny incidents like this.
throw48573 6y ago
It's surprising how facts like this are downvoted simply because people don't like hearing the truth. I can understand it happening on Reddit, but really thought HN would have more knowledgeable users. The fact is Microsoft and Apple follow Chinese laws and they operate there with no issues, while Facebook and Twitter do not. Google was even going to reenter the Chinese market but was shamed into abandoning that project.