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Is Parler usually anonymous or something? What were these people thinking posting videos of themselves committing a crime?

mhh__ 6y ago
I'm normally fairly reluctant to call people stupid, but these people are obviously not the sharpest tools in the shed.
jfengel 6y ago
An insurrection is only a crime if you lose. Otherwise, it's a thing to be proud of for generations. Now, there doesn't seem to have been any path to victory for them, and that casts doubt on the rest of their judgment. But at least in the moment, they believed they were heroes.
dragontamer 6y ago
They really didn't think that far ahead. Plenty of the rioters streamed themselves live on Youtube, Twitch, and Facebook, while shouting their own names on camera. Some of them even had their work-badges and IDs displayed during the riots, and bragged about their "accomplishments" on Facebook publicly under their own name.
cptnapalm 6y ago
Perhaps they saw the take over of the Hart Senate building during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings? Or AOC leading a take over of Pelosi's office? There were some minor arrests, but not much more than slap on the hand stuff, as I recall.
- sibeliuss 6y ago
  I don't think -- for even a single microsecond -- that anyone anywhere close to those hearings feared for the lives. It's absolutely absurd to compare the two situations. This standard ("does anyone feel unsafe") should always be used as a check against ones haywire common sense.
  - cptnapalm 6y ago
    I think that's a terrible standard. Actually, it's not even a standard at all as it can't be known until after an act, such as these, has begun taking place in which case it is too late. Unless something is known to everyone in advance to be "protest theater", so to speak, it is the act not an unknowable reaction that must be held to account.
    - sibeliuss 6y ago
      This is an after-the-fact tool. For example: - Kavanaugh confirmation hearings: did people feel unsafe? No. - AOC leading a take over of Pelosi's office: No, probably the opposite. People were likely laughing about it and mildly annoyed. - Mobs of people ransacking the capitol? Yeah, people felt _terrified_, and multiple people died. See the difference? There's non-violent peaceful protest, and there's threats of violence, or actual violence, that one can feel in their bones, and which color the situation and subsequent charges should events fall out of line with our tradition of protest. Though events can't be known ahead of time, it's fairly easy in retrospect to judge intent -- i.e, AOC didn't enter Pelosi's office dressed in tactical gear and holding zip ties, with a mob of angry "Squad" members calling for the Senate minority leader's death. It's offensive to common sense and morally dubious to compare these things, or to even bring them up in this context.
      - cptnapalm 6y ago
        Was there a poll taken of the feelings inside prior and during these events which was then proclaimed to the protesting parties and the public at large? Is there any indication that the vast majority had any idea of the intentions and the contents of the pockets of those who sought to do harm? Does the moral quality of an action change depending upon the style of pants? The ethics of actions of others does not at all depend upon your feelings.
        sibeliuss 6y ago
        > > Does the moral quality of an action change depending upon the style of pants No, maybe not, but perhaps there's something to be said when you look at the shirts people were wearing ("Camp Auschwitz") or the flags people were holding (Confederate, many), or the words people were speaking ("Hang Mike Pence!")? > Is there any indication that the vast majority had any idea of the intentions and the contents of the pockets of those who sought to do harm There's an enormous amount of testimony everywhere, in every major publication, on every news channel, about the feelings of those on the inside experiencing the mob enter from the outside. Your attempts to defend this are disingenuous.
malcolmhere 6y ago
People who have never faced consequences for their actions rarely consider the possible consequences of their actions

mhh__ 6y ago

I'm normally fairly reluctant to call people stupid, but these people are obviously not the sharpest tools in the shed.

jfengel 6y ago

An insurrection is only a crime if you lose. Otherwise, it's a thing to be proud of for generations. Now, there doesn't seem to have been any path to victory for them, and that casts doubt on the rest of their judgment. But at least in the moment, they believed they were heroes.

dragontamer 6y ago

They really didn't think that far ahead. Plenty of the rioters streamed themselves live on Youtube, Twitch, and Facebook, while shouting their own names on camera. Some of them even had their work-badges and IDs displayed during the riots, and bragged about their "accomplishments" on Facebook publicly under their own name.

cptnapalm 6y ago

Perhaps they saw the take over of the Hart Senate building during the Kavanaugh confirmation hearings? Or AOC leading a take over of Pelosi's office? There were some minor arrests, but not much more than slap on the hand stuff, as I recall.

sibeliuss 6y ago
I don't think -- for even a single microsecond -- that anyone anywhere close to those hearings feared for the lives. It's absolutely absurd to compare the two situations. This standard ("does anyone feel unsafe") should always be used as a check against ones haywire common sense.
- cptnapalm 6y ago
  I think that's a terrible standard. Actually, it's not even a standard at all as it can't be known until after an act, such as these, has begun taking place in which case it is too late. Unless something is known to everyone in advance to be "protest theater", so to speak, it is the act not an unknowable reaction that must be held to account.
  - sibeliuss 6y ago
    This is an after-the-fact tool. For example: - Kavanaugh confirmation hearings: did people feel unsafe? No. - AOC leading a take over of Pelosi's office: No, probably the opposite. People were likely laughing about it and mildly annoyed. - Mobs of people ransacking the capitol? Yeah, people felt _terrified_, and multiple people died. See the difference? There's non-violent peaceful protest, and there's threats of violence, or actual violence, that one can feel in their bones, and which color the situation and subsequent charges should events fall out of line with our tradition of protest. Though events can't be known ahead of time, it's fairly easy in retrospect to judge intent -- i.e, AOC didn't enter Pelosi's office dressed in tactical gear and holding zip ties, with a mob of angry "Squad" members calling for the Senate minority leader's death. It's offensive to common sense and morally dubious to compare these things, or to even bring them up in this context.
    - cptnapalm 6y ago
      Was there a poll taken of the feelings inside prior and during these events which was then proclaimed to the protesting parties and the public at large? Is there any indication that the vast majority had any idea of the intentions and the contents of the pockets of those who sought to do harm? Does the moral quality of an action change depending upon the style of pants? The ethics of actions of others does not at all depend upon your feelings.
      - sibeliuss 6y ago
        > > Does the moral quality of an action change depending upon the style of pants No, maybe not, but perhaps there's something to be said when you look at the shirts people were wearing ("Camp Auschwitz") or the flags people were holding (Confederate, many), or the words people were speaking ("Hang Mike Pence!")? > Is there any indication that the vast majority had any idea of the intentions and the contents of the pockets of those who sought to do harm There's an enormous amount of testimony everywhere, in every major publication, on every news channel, about the feelings of those on the inside experiencing the mob enter from the outside. Your attempts to defend this are disingenuous.

malcolmhere 6y ago

People who have never faced consequences for their actions rarely consider the possible consequences of their actions