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In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC. From the article: > The temperat
by tpmx 6y ago
In the mountains, at about 3k feet or 1k meters elevation. Yes, the headline is quite misleading. I expect more from the BBC.
From the article:
> The temperature plunged to -25C (-13F) in Molina de Aragón and Teruel, in mountains east of Madrid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molina_de_Arag%C3%B3n
> Elevation 1,065 m (3,494 ft)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruel
> Elevation 915 m (3,002 ft)
- dan1234 6y agoEven in Madrid it got down to -16C (average low for January is 2.7C).
- 88840-8855 6y agoTHIS. Plus, it is not that unusual. It happened 18 years ago already.
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- nend 6y agoThat doesn't seem very misleading. The estimated temperature difference for every 1000 meters in additional elevation is only 5-6C.
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- cs702 6y agoMentioning elevation without any context or reference to historical temperatures is not very helpful. Consider updating your comment.
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- mytailorisrich 6y agoThe Wikipedia page for Molina de Aragón, which you linked to, says that the average low in January for that locality is -3.5C, and that the record low is -28C, which happens to also be the record low ever recorded in the whole of Spain (still according to the Wikipedia page). -25C is thus certainly newsworthy and, well, that's in central Spain, which is elevated, but "central Spain" does not imply that it isn't and Spanish geography is what it is. This is not misleading.
- tomalpha 6y agoThe headline doesn’t come across as misleading to me. I interpreted it as the temperature having been recorded somewhere in central Spain which appears to be accurate (granted my Spanish geography isn’t great). The tone also appears to be consistent with what else is being reported - that this is unusual or possibly even extreme weather. I’m assuming your expectation was different. If so I’d be be curious as to how you did interpret it?
- tpmx 6y agoKnowing the topography of Spain helps. My interpretation is that the very, very woke BBC staff picked what seems like extreme temps from a mountain region and then technically correctly wrote that "Central Spain" "records temperatures of -25C". That is all. Do note: I'm not a climate change denier. I just hate crap like this, with a passion. I don't think we should have to abandon facts in this particular fight. It seems like a bunch of people here think we should. That's very scary and destructive, IMO.
- tomalpha 6y agoThat’s really interesting - thank you for replying.
- tpmx 6y agoHey, I now see that my reply was kinda "bossy". Sorry; I was just a bit upset.
- tomalpha 6y agoNo offence taken. I happen to disagree with you about the headline interpretation and the BBC wokeness bit but that’s what a good debating environment is for. (Without arguing the merits either way on the wider issue, I think this isn’t a good article to demonstrate over-wokeness at the BBC for example). All that said though, it’s interesting to hear others’ points of view and the thanks for replying was genuinely meant.
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- _Microft 6y agoCentral Spain contains a large plateau at an elevation of ~500-1000m above sea level. Checking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meseta_Central https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meseta_Central , I was almost correct. With an area of 200000 km^2 (from german Wikipedia) it is even larger than I expected.
- Ma8ee 6y agoThe elevation of Madrid is 667 meters according to Wikipedia. So we are not talking about the temperature of an isolated mountain top, even if they report the most extreme temperature.
- xeromal 6y agoYeah, how its written is like it's -25 at massive population centers. Intentional vague.