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That Greenwald tweet isn't aging well. https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1348619731734028293

sibeliuss 6y ago
TBH, it's almost an act of bad faith, or deliberate disinformation, to write that tweet.
- eachro 6y ago
  Yup. He could have removed the entire sentence about Parler and the tweet would retain most of its meaning.
- mhh__ 6y ago
  That describes a lot of what he gets up to these days. There's a reason why The Intercepts article on him leaving is as close as you can politely get to physically disowning him and his work.
  - danudey 6y ago
    I hadn't read that article, so I googled it, and assuming this[0] is the correct one, wow. Some choice excerpts, which are even better in context so read the article: > The narrative Glenn presents about his departure is teeming with distortions and inaccuracies — all of them designed to make him appear as a victim, rather than a grown person throwing a tantrum. > it was he who was attempting to recycle the dubious claims of a political campaign — the Trump campaign — and launder them as journalism. > We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be > We have no doubt that Glenn will go on to launch a new media venture where he will face no collaboration with editors — such is the era of Substack and Patreon. In that context, it makes good business sense for Glenn to position himself as the last true guardian of investigative journalism and to smear his longtime colleagues and friends as partisan hacks. [0] https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept/ https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...
Bootvis 6y ago
I was confused as the linked threat didn’t seemed to have aged particularly badly. However, lower in the thread Greenwald claims that the insurrectionists organized on Facebook and 0 of them on Parker.
- nickthegreek 6y ago
  Thanks, I didn't realize it linked to the top thread and not the specific tweet. "Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start."
  - dfxm12 6y ago
    Then maybe it's worth taking the whole thread into consideration. The zero arrests comment probably is incorrect, but, does that take away from the larger point, especially with regards to the context of the nyt article? Tl;dr: he made a lot of tweets on this subject. Cherry picking one part of one tweet doesn't say much about his overall point.
    - mint2 6y ago
      Greenwald cannot object to cherry picking and ignoring context without being a hypocrite.
  - BitwiseFool 6y ago
    Any viable social media competitor needs critical mass. A conservative exodus to Parler would be one way to make that happen. Big tech just squashed a competitor while the "iron was hot" for Parler and even if it comes back online it might never get the network effect it could have gotten.
    - dragontamer 6y ago
      lobste.rs seems to be doing fine as a discussion site aimed at technologists. This "hypergrowth at all costs" mindset is pretty suffocating. There's plenty of niche sites that are successful without the need of trying to be the biggest in the world.
Uhhrrr 6y ago
It could still be true - perhaps the arrestees weren't actively using it but other people who just wandered around and posted were.
- wtfiswiththis 6y ago
  Greenwald has been an activist for years. I recall him finding the most tenuous of reasons to defend Assad and Putin's conduct in Syria. It kept falling apart as the regime kept conducting further chemical weapons attacks. Everything could be dismissed as some grand imperialist plot against Assad. The goal posts moved dozens of times always in reaction to further news that detailed different aspects of the chemical weapons campaign. Greenwald kept finding ways to dismiss the citizens on the ground. Because surely RT.com knows better. He then kept dismissing the joint international investigation team while it was in the field. Because surely Assad's own press releases know better. After awhile he deleted his Twitter timeline[1]. Greenwald is not a journalist when he carries forward narratives like this, he is an activist. Just like when he carried forward narratives from "Guccifer 2.0" aka Kremlin during the 2016 election. What he is doing here seems really similar to his conduct from that era. He thought he found -the thing- that exempts something he want to defend from ire. Now an entire narrative is build around it. His little personal fort. I'll never be able to forgive Glenn for using his name on Twitter to beat down Syrians who were giving first hand testimony and video evidence. He engaged against them like they were his enemy, likely because they were the enemy of his favored narrative and biases. Disgusting. Here is an archived version of his tweet[2]. You'll need it in time after he commits another purge when he moves onto the next indefensible right wing trope he feels like picking up. [1] https://twitter.com/im_pulse/status/1022690869139464192 https://twitter.com/im_pulse/status/1022690869139464192 [2] https://archive.vn/cmxFp https://archive.vn/cmxFp
  - raarts 6y ago
    I don't like this. Please comment on what he states in his tweet, instead of bringing up old ones. When you're right, you're right. Regardless of your past.
    - 6y ago
selimthegrim 6y ago
Does Greenwald not understand what sideloading an app is?
refurb 6y ago
Using Parler doesn’t mean the planning wasn’t done on Twitter and Facebook.

sibeliuss 6y ago

TBH, it's almost an act of bad faith, or deliberate disinformation, to write that tweet.

eachro 6y ago
Yup. He could have removed the entire sentence about Parler and the tweet would retain most of its meaning.
mhh__ 6y ago
That describes a lot of what he gets up to these days. There's a reason why The Intercepts article on him leaving is as close as you can politely get to physically disowning him and his work.
- danudey 6y ago
  I hadn't read that article, so I googled it, and assuming this[0] is the correct one, wow. Some choice excerpts, which are even better in context so read the article: > The narrative Glenn presents about his departure is teeming with distortions and inaccuracies — all of them designed to make him appear as a victim, rather than a grown person throwing a tantrum. > it was he who was attempting to recycle the dubious claims of a political campaign — the Trump campaign — and launder them as journalism. > We have the greatest respect for the journalist Glenn Greenwald used to be > We have no doubt that Glenn will go on to launch a new media venture where he will face no collaboration with editors — such is the era of Substack and Patreon. In that context, it makes good business sense for Glenn to position himself as the last true guardian of investigative journalism and to smear his longtime colleagues and friends as partisan hacks. [0] https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-the-intercept/ https://theintercept.com/2020/10/29/glenn-greenwald-resigns-...

Bootvis 6y ago

I was confused as the linked threat didn’t seemed to have aged particularly badly. However, lower in the thread Greenwald claims that the insurrectionists organized on Facebook and 0 of them on Parker.

nickthegreek 6y ago
Thanks, I didn't realize it linked to the top thread and not the specific tweet. "Do you know how many of the people arrested in connection with the Capitol invasion were active users of Parler? Zero. The planning was largely done on Facebook. This is all a bullshit pretext for silencing competitors on ideological grounds: just the start."
- dfxm12 6y ago
  Then maybe it's worth taking the whole thread into consideration. The zero arrests comment probably is incorrect, but, does that take away from the larger point, especially with regards to the context of the nyt article? Tl;dr: he made a lot of tweets on this subject. Cherry picking one part of one tweet doesn't say much about his overall point.
  - mint2 6y ago
    Greenwald cannot object to cherry picking and ignoring context without being a hypocrite.
- BitwiseFool 6y ago
  Any viable social media competitor needs critical mass. A conservative exodus to Parler would be one way to make that happen. Big tech just squashed a competitor while the "iron was hot" for Parler and even if it comes back online it might never get the network effect it could have gotten.
  - dragontamer 6y ago
    lobste.rs seems to be doing fine as a discussion site aimed at technologists. This "hypergrowth at all costs" mindset is pretty suffocating. There's plenty of niche sites that are successful without the need of trying to be the biggest in the world.

Uhhrrr 6y ago

It could still be true - perhaps the arrestees weren't actively using it but other people who just wandered around and posted were.

wtfiswiththis 6y ago
Greenwald has been an activist for years. I recall him finding the most tenuous of reasons to defend Assad and Putin's conduct in Syria. It kept falling apart as the regime kept conducting further chemical weapons attacks. Everything could be dismissed as some grand imperialist plot against Assad. The goal posts moved dozens of times always in reaction to further news that detailed different aspects of the chemical weapons campaign. Greenwald kept finding ways to dismiss the citizens on the ground. Because surely RT.com knows better. He then kept dismissing the joint international investigation team while it was in the field. Because surely Assad's own press releases know better. After awhile he deleted his Twitter timeline[1]. Greenwald is not a journalist when he carries forward narratives like this, he is an activist. Just like when he carried forward narratives from "Guccifer 2.0" aka Kremlin during the 2016 election. What he is doing here seems really similar to his conduct from that era. He thought he found -the thing- that exempts something he want to defend from ire. Now an entire narrative is build around it. His little personal fort. I'll never be able to forgive Glenn for using his name on Twitter to beat down Syrians who were giving first hand testimony and video evidence. He engaged against them like they were his enemy, likely because they were the enemy of his favored narrative and biases. Disgusting. Here is an archived version of his tweet[2]. You'll need it in time after he commits another purge when he moves onto the next indefensible right wing trope he feels like picking up. [1] https://twitter.com/im_pulse/status/1022690869139464192 https://twitter.com/im_pulse/status/1022690869139464192 [2] https://archive.vn/cmxFp https://archive.vn/cmxFp
- raarts 6y ago
  I don't like this. Please comment on what he states in his tweet, instead of bringing up old ones. When you're right, you're right. Regardless of your past.
  - 6y ago

selimthegrim 6y ago

Does Greenwald not understand what sideloading an app is?

refurb 6y ago

Using Parler doesn’t mean the planning wasn’t done on Twitter and Facebook.