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Prefacing this by saying I disagree with the protest: > "I did not know that, as a Jew, it would be so polarizing to say this word," Saying this word when ref

by akarma 6y ago

Prefacing this by saying I disagree with the protest: > "I did not know that, as a Jew, it would be so polarizing to say this word," Saying this word when referring to a large protest of Americans for a cause you disagree with in your work Slack channel? Statistically, it's likely that several people in the channel either agreed with the protest, or at the least, have relatives who did. You essentially just called coworkers and their families Nazis. > In his final Slack message to coworkers, the employee said that his experience shows that the tech industry, and GitHub in particular, needs to be held more accountable for improving diversity and inclusion at the leadership level. I'm fairly sure that GitHub's own CEO is Jewish, and would see this employee's perspective perfectly well. I don't think this is an accountability issue so much as a social-cues-in-the-workplace issue.

madamelic 6y ago
I am honestly so tired of this hand wringing over calling things what they are. It's going to be uncomfortable but this isn't as simple as pro-life and pro-choice. This is about the very nature of our country and a party wanting to throw it all out. If you are uncomfortable with an employee saying the truth (Many seditionists wore Nazi / white supremacist apparel and were carrying Confederate flags!), you should examine your own beliefs and whether you are either a white supremacist or a sympathizer. This isn't about being "alarmist" or a "snowflake liberal", this about saying what we _literally_ see. That's a Nazi flag, that's a Nazi; "those are Nazis". Pretending like we all need to hold hands and coddle _literal Nazis' feelings_ is absurdist and socially + morally wrong. If you are uncomfortable with, again, LITERAL Neo-Nazis and white supremacists being called what they are, you should be the one getting fired.
- akarma 6y ago
  > This about the very nature of our country and a party wanting to throw it all out. I agree, and I'm firmly in the camp that the election must be respected, and that it would be the death of America as we know it to overturn an election like this. > If you are uncomfortable with an employee saying the truth Did you read the article and the phrasing of his comment? This appeared to be during the initial peaceful protest; they were not all Nazis, and I doubt that even 0.1% of them were. Read the room, it's a workplace! I would have no problem with seeing his take on Twitter, but the workplace? I equally don't expect someone to be able to go around my work's Slack saying "watch out for the Black nationalists" and "watch out for the violent Bolshevik Commies" because they saw a raised fist and a hammer-and-sickle in the crowd at a Black Lives Matter protest.
  - madamelic 6y ago
    >This appeared to be during the initial peaceful protest; they were not all Nazis, and I doubt that even 0.1% of them were. Read the room. If I show up at a protest and someone is carrying a Confederate flag, I am leaving. Full stop. No more excuses, no more "but some are good people!". If you are hanging with Neo-Confederates in political spaces, you are at best a sympathizer and at worst a silent Neo-Confederate. If I see a neo-Confederate at a political rally toting a Confederate flag and I am in that group, I am going straight home and evaluating my opinions.
  - rbanffy 6y ago
    If you march alongside a nazi, you are one. If you support a nazi, you are one. If you support a president who separates children from their parents and puts them in prison camps you are one. If, for all that, you are willing to steal an election and terrorize your elected officials, build gallows outside the building and enter if with plastic handcuffs, you most definitely are one.
    - akarma 6y ago
      I won't go through all the effort of sourcing as this is easily searchable, but: > If you support a president who separates children from their parents Obama's Homeland Security secretary, Johnson, confirmed with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that this predates the Trump administration. > terrorize your elected officials AOC has said that the whole point of protesting is to "make people uncomfortable." A professor at Wellesley wrote an article in Slate that "Violence can be an important tool in protests." The destruction of government buildings has certainly occurred in recent protests, there are dozens of instances of this. > build gallows outside the building Even the irony in this! Black Lives Matter protestors built a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' DC home. I support Black Lives Matter to be clear, but obviously this whole "Nazi by association" schtick leads to the conclusion that we would all, in fact, be Nazis.
      - rbanffy 6y ago
        > Obama's Homeland Security secretary, Johnson, confirmed with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that this predates the Trump administration. Do you have numbers on how many children were separated from their parents? How many parents were repatriated without their children? How many kids died in custody and of how many they lost track of? > Black Lives Matter protestors built a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' DC home. Did they also invade Bezos' home with the intention to drag him out? > obviously this whole "Nazi by association" schtick leads to the conclusion that we would all, in fact, be Nazis. When you think about that, do you feel comfortable at endorsing the policies that caused kids to be permanently separated from their parents? Kids that died without the comfort of being with their families? HRW did a report on that https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-conditions-women-and-children-us-immigration-holding-cells https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-condit...
ashtonkem 6y ago
I mean, there were literal Nazis there. Several people were wearing "6 million was not enough" and "Camp Auschwitz Staff" shirts. At a certain point, you have to be utterly delusional to not admit that there are at least some Nazis out and about.
gnusty_gnurc 6y ago
We know that if you called the BLM protests communist cause the organization is founded by vocally avowed communists, you'd face backlash too. People are histrionic and pearl-clutching morons, it's just a part of the zeitgeist. No, we did not go through Pearl-freaking-Harbor or 9/11 at the Capitol; the Capitol had machine guns mounted on the steps in the 60s and was bombed twice by the far-left Weather Underground. Last summer during the protests many more people died and I heard no one saying "this must end now, what an unimaginably dark event" after the first 5 people died in politically-motivated indefensible, and wanton bloodshed.

by akarma 6y ago

madamelic 6y ago

I am honestly so tired of this hand wringing over calling things what they are. It's going to be uncomfortable but this isn't as simple as pro-life and pro-choice. This is about the very nature of our country and a party wanting to throw it all out. If you are uncomfortable with an employee saying the truth (Many seditionists wore Nazi / white supremacist apparel and were carrying Confederate flags!), you should examine your own beliefs and whether you are either a white supremacist or a sympathizer. This isn't about being "alarmist" or a "snowflake liberal", this about saying what we _literally_ see. That's a Nazi flag, that's a Nazi; "those are Nazis". Pretending like we all need to hold hands and coddle _literal Nazis' feelings_ is absurdist and socially + morally wrong. If you are uncomfortable with, again, LITERAL Neo-Nazis and white supremacists being called what they are, you should be the one getting fired.

akarma 6y ago
> This about the very nature of our country and a party wanting to throw it all out. I agree, and I'm firmly in the camp that the election must be respected, and that it would be the death of America as we know it to overturn an election like this. > If you are uncomfortable with an employee saying the truth Did you read the article and the phrasing of his comment? This appeared to be during the initial peaceful protest; they were not all Nazis, and I doubt that even 0.1% of them were. Read the room, it's a workplace! I would have no problem with seeing his take on Twitter, but the workplace? I equally don't expect someone to be able to go around my work's Slack saying "watch out for the Black nationalists" and "watch out for the violent Bolshevik Commies" because they saw a raised fist and a hammer-and-sickle in the crowd at a Black Lives Matter protest.
- madamelic 6y ago
  >This appeared to be during the initial peaceful protest; they were not all Nazis, and I doubt that even 0.1% of them were. Read the room. If I show up at a protest and someone is carrying a Confederate flag, I am leaving. Full stop. No more excuses, no more "but some are good people!". If you are hanging with Neo-Confederates in political spaces, you are at best a sympathizer and at worst a silent Neo-Confederate. If I see a neo-Confederate at a political rally toting a Confederate flag and I am in that group, I am going straight home and evaluating my opinions.
- rbanffy 6y ago
  If you march alongside a nazi, you are one. If you support a nazi, you are one. If you support a president who separates children from their parents and puts them in prison camps you are one. If, for all that, you are willing to steal an election and terrorize your elected officials, build gallows outside the building and enter if with plastic handcuffs, you most definitely are one.
  - akarma 6y ago
    I won't go through all the effort of sourcing as this is easily searchable, but: > If you support a president who separates children from their parents Obama's Homeland Security secretary, Johnson, confirmed with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that this predates the Trump administration. > terrorize your elected officials AOC has said that the whole point of protesting is to "make people uncomfortable." A professor at Wellesley wrote an article in Slate that "Violence can be an important tool in protests." The destruction of government buildings has certainly occurred in recent protests, there are dozens of instances of this. > build gallows outside the building Even the irony in this! Black Lives Matter protestors built a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' DC home. I support Black Lives Matter to be clear, but obviously this whole "Nazi by association" schtick leads to the conclusion that we would all, in fact, be Nazis.
    - rbanffy 6y ago
      > Obama's Homeland Security secretary, Johnson, confirmed with NPR's Mary Louise Kelly that this predates the Trump administration. Do you have numbers on how many children were separated from their parents? How many parents were repatriated without their children? How many kids died in custody and of how many they lost track of? > Black Lives Matter protestors built a guillotine in front of Jeff Bezos' DC home. Did they also invade Bezos' home with the intention to drag him out? > obviously this whole "Nazi by association" schtick leads to the conclusion that we would all, in fact, be Nazis. When you think about that, do you feel comfortable at endorsing the policies that caused kids to be permanently separated from their parents? Kids that died without the comfort of being with their families? HRW did a report on that https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-conditions-women-and-children-us-immigration-holding-cells https://www.hrw.org/report/2018/02/28/freezer/abusive-condit...

ashtonkem 6y ago

I mean, there were literal Nazis there. Several people were wearing "6 million was not enough" and "Camp Auschwitz Staff" shirts. At a certain point, you have to be utterly delusional to not admit that there are at least some Nazis out and about.

gnusty_gnurc 6y ago

We know that if you called the BLM protests communist cause the organization is founded by vocally avowed communists, you'd face backlash too. People are histrionic and pearl-clutching morons, it's just a part of the zeitgeist. No, we did not go through Pearl-freaking-Harbor or 9/11 at the Capitol; the Capitol had machine guns mounted on the steps in the 60s and was bombed twice by the far-left Weather Underground. Last summer during the protests many more people died and I heard no one saying "this must end now, what an unimaginably dark event" after the first 5 people died in politically-motivated indefensible, and wanton bloodshed.