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My point is I don't find it plausible the mob that attacked the capitol was motivated by liberal college professors or race crime statistics, or various progres

My point is I don't find it plausible the mob that attacked the capitol was motivated by liberal college professors or race crime statistics, or various progressive cultural victories. I think it's reasonable to assume a bisexual poly woman would not be concerned with those specific matters to the point where they'd be willing to participate in mob violence to overthrow the government.

kodah 6y ago
Maybe not motivated by, but this is certainly an escalating culture war. Part of it has its roots in academia, yes. These professors, and former academics, some of which now hold high profile jobs at big tech companies like Google, definitely play a role in inflaming tensions between these people. You're assuming that people fit molds a lot more than they actually do. The reality is that there's a fair number of people who buy into race statistics, want to do something about racism, but also don't buy into the narrative books like White Fragility have proposed. That book is especially steeped in academia and it's proponents have large Twitter accounts where they feel emboldened to say detestfully broad things about large groups of people. Some of those posts end up on here, so how you've missed them is beyond me.
- spamizbad 6y ago
  I can assure you Peter Norvig had nothing to do with anyone's radicalization.
  - kodah 6y ago
    I have no idea who that person is. There's a number of posts on here about NeurIPS with some links to archive.org that features a Twitter feed where a number of people were encouraging harassment of each other. Watching how they postulate against each other using their various ideologies is shocking to say the least.
    - spamizbad 6y ago
      This is such a fascinating take to me. I feel like the problem here is the modern right has an untenable political coalition. And it needs to moderate in certain issues to regain majority support. One way would be by eschewing hard-line right wing economics. Tax cuts for corporations and wealthy elites arent going to make a dent in the left’s cultural hegemony. Why not tax the wealthy elite and pour that tax money into the hands of every day Americans through better infrastructure, schooling, and healthcare? Then use that as political leverage to stop things you don’t like. It sounds a lot like one side is too attached to corporate hegemony.
      - kodah 6y ago
        You might be right about that. To be honest, there's enough people beating on the right that I'm sure they will end up abandoning what's made them unpopular. They may even split, who knows. I end up focusing on the left because right now, no one is paying attention to the fact that there's a back and forth war going on here between extremists that is cultural in nature. I happen to be closer to the left in politics, though I don't ascribe to the culture. Who fights this war online is the idealogues, who fights it in the streets are normal people. It's disconcerting. It's tiring to see, hence I even bother to say anything about it. That said, my energy is just about up. If this country wants to tear each other apart, have at it.

kodah 6y ago

Maybe not motivated by, but this is certainly an escalating culture war. Part of it has its roots in academia, yes. These professors, and former academics, some of which now hold high profile jobs at big tech companies like Google, definitely play a role in inflaming tensions between these people. You're assuming that people fit molds a lot more than they actually do. The reality is that there's a fair number of people who buy into race statistics, want to do something about racism, but also don't buy into the narrative books like White Fragility have proposed. That book is especially steeped in academia and it's proponents have large Twitter accounts where they feel emboldened to say detestfully broad things about large groups of people. Some of those posts end up on here, so how you've missed them is beyond me.

spamizbad 6y ago
I can assure you Peter Norvig had nothing to do with anyone's radicalization.
- kodah 6y ago
  I have no idea who that person is. There's a number of posts on here about NeurIPS with some links to archive.org that features a Twitter feed where a number of people were encouraging harassment of each other. Watching how they postulate against each other using their various ideologies is shocking to say the least.
  - spamizbad 6y ago
    This is such a fascinating take to me. I feel like the problem here is the modern right has an untenable political coalition. And it needs to moderate in certain issues to regain majority support. One way would be by eschewing hard-line right wing economics. Tax cuts for corporations and wealthy elites arent going to make a dent in the left’s cultural hegemony. Why not tax the wealthy elite and pour that tax money into the hands of every day Americans through better infrastructure, schooling, and healthcare? Then use that as political leverage to stop things you don’t like. It sounds a lot like one side is too attached to corporate hegemony.
    - kodah 6y ago
      You might be right about that. To be honest, there's enough people beating on the right that I'm sure they will end up abandoning what's made them unpopular. They may even split, who knows. I end up focusing on the left because right now, no one is paying attention to the fact that there's a back and forth war going on here between extremists that is cultural in nature. I happen to be closer to the left in politics, though I don't ascribe to the culture. Who fights this war online is the idealogues, who fights it in the streets are normal people. It's disconcerting. It's tiring to see, hence I even bother to say anything about it. That said, my energy is just about up. If this country wants to tear each other apart, have at it.