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You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech'. Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from

You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech'. Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from the government.

jsonne 6y ago
I have no idea why you're being downvoted because you're completely right. The petty legalism around the issue does nothing to further the conversation. The 1st amendment is about the US government censoring people. It doesn't own the concept of free speech as a whole in the same way the constitution doesn't own the idea of God given rights, or democracy, or republic, or numerous other concepts mentioned.
- anonunivgrad 6y ago
  The petty legalism is just a technique for people to stop thinking about their flagrant hypocrisy. As if the people screaming "they're a private business, they can do what they want" have ever entertained that as a serious argument for any other issue.
Karunamon 6y ago
A comic response to the original comic: https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/index.html https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/in...
- the_af 6y ago
  This is more like what I think, thanks for posting! I was merely correcting the misconception that Randall Munroe from xkcd doesn't advocate for free speech. I didn't say I agreed 100% with the comic itself, though I do find parts of it thought-provoking.
- metabagel 6y ago
  I think this concept of freedom of speech is in opposition to freedom of association.
  - Karunamon 6y ago
    Society already makes inroads on freedom of association. Businesses aren't allowed to turn away customers based on race and so forth.
the_af 6y ago
> You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech' I'm not Randall Munroe, how am I confusing anything by simply explaining he doesn't claim to be against free speech but rather is clarifying what he thinks free speech is? I'm ok if you disagree with him, but please don't make claims about what I think, when I didn't say what I think. I was replying to a comment arguing that xkcd doesn't support free speech because the author is leftist. I showed the author does support what he believes is free speech. That's all.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from the government The idea of free speech is the ideas should succed or fail based on their ability to convince private actors tomhold and relay them. Compelling actors to relay speech they disapprove of, unless those actors are the State or agents thereof, generally violates that principal. Free speech is not an entitlement to third-party magnification of your speech, it is indeed the opposite: the idea that such magnification must be earned by convincing the party whose magnification is sought. “People who disagree with me aren't relaying my speech or speech I like” isn't a violation of free speech.

You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech'. Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from the government.

jsonne 6y ago

I have no idea why you're being downvoted because you're completely right. The petty legalism around the issue does nothing to further the conversation. The 1st amendment is about the US government censoring people. It doesn't own the concept of free speech as a whole in the same way the constitution doesn't own the idea of God given rights, or democracy, or republic, or numerous other concepts mentioned.

anonunivgrad 6y ago
The petty legalism is just a technique for people to stop thinking about their flagrant hypocrisy. As if the people screaming "they're a private business, they can do what they want" have ever entertained that as a serious argument for any other issue.

Karunamon 6y ago

A comic response to the original comic: https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/index.html https://sealedabstract.com/rants/re-xkcd-1357-free-speech/in...

the_af 6y ago
This is more like what I think, thanks for posting! I was merely correcting the misconception that Randall Munroe from xkcd doesn't advocate for free speech. I didn't say I agreed 100% with the comic itself, though I do find parts of it thought-provoking.
metabagel 6y ago
I think this concept of freedom of speech is in opposition to freedom of association.
- Karunamon 6y ago
  Society already makes inroads on freedom of association. Businesses aren't allowed to turn away customers based on race and so forth.

the_af 6y ago

> You are confusing the 1st Amendment with 'free speech' I'm not Randall Munroe, how am I confusing anything by simply explaining he doesn't claim to be against free speech but rather is clarifying what he thinks free speech is? I'm ok if you disagree with him, but please don't make claims about what I think, when I didn't say what I think. I was replying to a comment arguing that xkcd doesn't support free speech because the author is leftist. I showed the author does support what he believes is free speech. That's all.

dragonwriter 6y ago

> Free speech is a value that is broadly applicable to society, far larger in scope than prohibition from the government The idea of free speech is the ideas should succed or fail based on their ability to convince private actors tomhold and relay them. Compelling actors to relay speech they disapprove of, unless those actors are the State or agents thereof, generally violates that principal. Free speech is not an entitlement to third-party magnification of your speech, it is indeed the opposite: the idea that such magnification must be earned by convincing the party whose magnification is sought. “People who disagree with me aren't relaying my speech or speech I like” isn't a violation of free speech.