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Not to discount your experience, but IMHO this is a pretty niche opinion. Most of my friends and family seem to be either oblivious to any issues with Facebook

Not to discount your experience, but IMHO this is a pretty niche opinion. Most of my friends and family seem to be either oblivious to any issues with Facebook, or at most be concerned about X or Y but unwilling to part with their network. I tried to dig up some stats, and the best I could find was a survey by The Verge[1] from Dec 2019: According to the survey, 71% of people had a favorable opinion of Facebook, and 75% think Facebook has a positive or neutral impact on society. However, Facebook scored relatively worse than most other brands surveyed (except Twitter), so you may be onto something. It's also possible that it's worsened in the past year. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21144680/verge-tech-survey-2020-trust-privacy-security-facebook-amazon-google-apple https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/2/21144680/verge-tech-survey...

ogre_codes 6y ago
If 10% of people think Facebook is the root of all that's evil, you are likely to have some awkward conversations regardless of what 70% of people think. It doesn't take a majority of people to make things awkward/ ugly, just a vocal minority. Also, I suspect developers and knowledge workers are more likely to dislike Facebook. It doesn't matter what the cashier at Safeway thinks. If your friends and acquaintances hate Facebook, it's going to feel a lot worse. And if you are a developer or designer, it's likely you have a fair number of friends who are developers.
- bilbo0s 6y ago
  This. It's not the 90% of oblivious people who are the problem. It's not even the 10% of "woke" digital people who are the problem. We probably need to talk about issues more in this country. It's the <1% of those "woke" digital people who will gun you down at the local grocery store because you work at Facebook who are the problem. In the end, it's always the extremists that represent the threat, and therefore oblige the appropriate security posture.
  - ogre_codes 6y ago
    > It's the <1% of those "woke" digital people who will gun you down Eh... no, I wasn't talking about anyone "gunning you down", the linked article is. I was just talking awkward conversations and getting the side-eye for working for the country's #1 douche. I mean... yeah the 1% issue is likely bigger now, but this will blow over. Your buddies who think you sold your soul to the devil for a couple bucks will be around for years.
    - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
      I have a red hat that says "make Orwell fiction again" on it that I haven't worn in years. Most people will either grumble to themselves and ignore it or read it and realize it's not what it looks like at first glance. I'm still not dumb enough to wear it on the Boston subway. Your buddies might think you sold your soul but they also aren't gonna dump a coffee on your or sucker punch you.
      - slowhand09 6y ago
        Jeez, I want that hat!
        throwaway0a5e 6y ago
        Going rate seems to be about $20 (and if Amazon isn't your thing I bet Ebay and all the other usual suspects have them too). If that's worth it to troll people IRL is up to you. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Make%2BOrwell%2BFiction%2BAgain+hat&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Make%2BOrwell%2BFiction%2BAgain+h...
      - fuzxi 6y ago
        I like the ones that just say "Made You Look".
- boomboomsubban 6y ago
  While I can understand why that 10% would make someone unwilling to work there, until now I doubt that 10% caused brand damage that caused their products to fail. A good comparison would be Nestlé. For decades now, a vocal minority have been calling for boycotts over their unethical methods, like with formula or or labor practices. Yet most people still happily buy Kit Kats.
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ogre_codes 6y ago

If 10% of people think Facebook is the root of all that's evil, you are likely to have some awkward conversations regardless of what 70% of people think. It doesn't take a majority of people to make things awkward/ ugly, just a vocal minority. Also, I suspect developers and knowledge workers are more likely to dislike Facebook. It doesn't matter what the cashier at Safeway thinks. If your friends and acquaintances hate Facebook, it's going to feel a lot worse. And if you are a developer or designer, it's likely you have a fair number of friends who are developers.

bilbo0s 6y ago
This. It's not the 90% of oblivious people who are the problem. It's not even the 10% of "woke" digital people who are the problem. We probably need to talk about issues more in this country. It's the <1% of those "woke" digital people who will gun you down at the local grocery store because you work at Facebook who are the problem. In the end, it's always the extremists that represent the threat, and therefore oblige the appropriate security posture.
- ogre_codes 6y ago
  > It's the <1% of those "woke" digital people who will gun you down Eh... no, I wasn't talking about anyone "gunning you down", the linked article is. I was just talking awkward conversations and getting the side-eye for working for the country's #1 douche. I mean... yeah the 1% issue is likely bigger now, but this will blow over. Your buddies who think you sold your soul to the devil for a couple bucks will be around for years.
  - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
    I have a red hat that says "make Orwell fiction again" on it that I haven't worn in years. Most people will either grumble to themselves and ignore it or read it and realize it's not what it looks like at first glance. I'm still not dumb enough to wear it on the Boston subway. Your buddies might think you sold your soul but they also aren't gonna dump a coffee on your or sucker punch you.
    - slowhand09 6y ago
      Jeez, I want that hat!
      - throwaway0a5e 6y ago
        Going rate seems to be about $20 (and if Amazon isn't your thing I bet Ebay and all the other usual suspects have them too). If that's worth it to troll people IRL is up to you. https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Make%2BOrwell%2BFiction%2BAgain+hat&ref=nb_sb_noss_2 https://www.amazon.com/s?k=Make%2BOrwell%2BFiction%2BAgain+h...
    - fuzxi 6y ago
      I like the ones that just say "Made You Look".
boomboomsubban 6y ago
While I can understand why that 10% would make someone unwilling to work there, until now I doubt that 10% caused brand damage that caused their products to fail. A good comparison would be Nestlé. For decades now, a vocal minority have been calling for boycotts over their unethical methods, like with formula or or labor practices. Yet most people still happily buy Kit Kats.

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