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> festering a community of terrorists This is what it feels like to live in a country like China, where if you criticize the government, or question the domina

> festering a community of terrorists This is what it feels like to live in a country like China, where if you criticize the government, or question the dominant narrative, or call for regime change, you are called a "terrorist" and denied basic rights like expression and put on no-fly lists. Anti-government rhetoric is routinely suppressed, fire-walled, and forced out. Are you sure that is what you want?

evgen 6y ago
And then when you take up arms and commit sedition you get to act all surprised that actions have consequences. The people who invaded the US Capitol building ARE TERRORISTS. Pure and simple. They should be put on no-fly lists and denied basic rights like the right to exist outside of a small cell (after they are tried and convicted for their crimes.) This is what it feels like to live in a country which tries to uphold the rule of law. Sorry if it inconveniences you, but not sorry.
- igammarays 6y ago
  I absolutely agree that those who advocated for violent acts should be investigated and punished. Go after those authors on Parler. But shutting down an entire platform, which is used by lots of other people who are NOT violent, on the basis of some violent posts? You can find far worse content on Facebook, are you going to advocate shutting down the whole platform?
  - eximius 6y ago
    And Twitter while we're at it /s
  - fimoreth 6y ago
    Facebook and Twitter do not have the violent posts solved by any measure. But at the very least they make the gestures and put money towards trying to fix it. Parler has been vocal that they have no plans solving it. If they had at least showed some vague plan to resolve it, they would have earned some sympathy.
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- rvn1045 6y ago
  Did you see the images of these so called terrorists? They have committed an illegal act by trespassing on government property but to call them seditious terrorists is a bit too far fetched. They're a bunch of clowns who happened to storm the capitol.
  - fphhotchips 6y ago
    I'm not American, but what I saw on my TV last week was an outgoing President organising an armed mob outside the seat of Government and inciting them to disrupt the democratic transition of power. There were people inside the building that were clearly intending to take hostages. There was a gallows out the front. In any other nation on earth, this was an attempted coup. Just because it failed doesn't mean that those involved didn't have intent.
    - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
      Well, it was a very incompetent coup. If Trump really intended a coup, he should have had friendly military embedded among the rioters. He shouldn't have said "now go home". It's a very half-hearted coup on the part of the president. Note well: I am far from saying that Trump is innocent. He absolutely should have known that his words would incite violence. In the most charitable light possible, he's still clueless about the effect his words would have. (I could kind of see his intent being to use the mob to pressure Congress, so that they would be inclined to see it Trump's way. He may have intended the mob surrounding the Capitol, but not the breach... in a very charitable interpretation. Even in that interpretation, though, he still very dangerously misjudged the effects of his words.) And Trump may well be guilty of more than that. He may well be guilty of attempting a coup to remain in power, and just not have had any idea of how to do it right. (I prefer that rogues be incompetent...)
      - akiselev 6y ago
        The Armed Forces [1], Capitol Police [2], and other law enforcement agencies around the country are investigating the participation of their members. It's going to take a while to sort everything out, but I'm betting it's more sinister than it appears give the gallows, flex cuffs, the former AF officers in tacticool gear, and the general rhetoric. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/military-investigating-service-members-participated-us-capitol-assault/story?id=75188339 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/military-investigating-servi... [2] https://www.wesh.com/article/2-capitol-police-officers-suspended-at-least-10-more-under-investigation-for-alleged-roles-in-riot/35183403 https://www.wesh.com/article/2-capitol-police-officers-suspe...
eximius 6y ago
Okay, sure, China is scary _but Parler was literally doing those things_. This was not some overreaction, this is not ostracizing mere disagreeing philosophies, this is not like Trump calling the media the enemy of the people. They literally were plotting kidnapping, murder, and sedition. This is an appropriate response.
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zmmmmm 6y ago
There is a qualitative difference between concretely planning an attack and the things you describe. I am taking the platform's statements at face value, but what I understand is that they observed concrete, specific planning to coordinate a physical attack on US democratic institutions. In that sense, this is not about free speech at all. The actions taken were done with intent of preventing violence, not speech.
reaperducer 6y ago
This is what it feels like to live in a country like China, where if you criticize the government, or question the dominant narrative, or call for regime change, you are called a "terrorist" There's a big difference between criticizing the government and storming the capitol. Talk all you want. Engage in constructive debate. Run for office. Change laws through the system. All of those things are OK in the United States. Dragging a police officer down the stairs and beating him with a flag pole is not OK in the United States.

evgen 6y ago

And then when you take up arms and commit sedition you get to act all surprised that actions have consequences. The people who invaded the US Capitol building ARE TERRORISTS. Pure and simple. They should be put on no-fly lists and denied basic rights like the right to exist outside of a small cell (after they are tried and convicted for their crimes.) This is what it feels like to live in a country which tries to uphold the rule of law. Sorry if it inconveniences you, but not sorry.

igammarays 6y ago
I absolutely agree that those who advocated for violent acts should be investigated and punished. Go after those authors on Parler. But shutting down an entire platform, which is used by lots of other people who are NOT violent, on the basis of some violent posts? You can find far worse content on Facebook, are you going to advocate shutting down the whole platform?
- eximius 6y ago
  And Twitter while we're at it /s
- fimoreth 6y ago
  Facebook and Twitter do not have the violent posts solved by any measure. But at the very least they make the gestures and put money towards trying to fix it. Parler has been vocal that they have no plans solving it. If they had at least showed some vague plan to resolve it, they would have earned some sympathy.
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rvn1045 6y ago
Did you see the images of these so called terrorists? They have committed an illegal act by trespassing on government property but to call them seditious terrorists is a bit too far fetched. They're a bunch of clowns who happened to storm the capitol.
- fphhotchips 6y ago
  I'm not American, but what I saw on my TV last week was an outgoing President organising an armed mob outside the seat of Government and inciting them to disrupt the democratic transition of power. There were people inside the building that were clearly intending to take hostages. There was a gallows out the front. In any other nation on earth, this was an attempted coup. Just because it failed doesn't mean that those involved didn't have intent.
  - AnimalMuppet 6y ago
    Well, it was a very incompetent coup. If Trump really intended a coup, he should have had friendly military embedded among the rioters. He shouldn't have said "now go home". It's a very half-hearted coup on the part of the president. Note well: I am far from saying that Trump is innocent. He absolutely should have known that his words would incite violence. In the most charitable light possible, he's still clueless about the effect his words would have. (I could kind of see his intent being to use the mob to pressure Congress, so that they would be inclined to see it Trump's way. He may have intended the mob surrounding the Capitol, but not the breach... in a very charitable interpretation. Even in that interpretation, though, he still very dangerously misjudged the effects of his words.) And Trump may well be guilty of more than that. He may well be guilty of attempting a coup to remain in power, and just not have had any idea of how to do it right. (I prefer that rogues be incompetent...)
    - akiselev 6y ago
      The Armed Forces [1], Capitol Police [2], and other law enforcement agencies around the country are investigating the participation of their members. It's going to take a while to sort everything out, but I'm betting it's more sinister than it appears give the gallows, flex cuffs, the former AF officers in tacticool gear, and the general rhetoric. [1] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/military-investigating-service-members-participated-us-capitol-assault/story?id=75188339 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/military-investigating-servi... [2] https://www.wesh.com/article/2-capitol-police-officers-suspended-at-least-10-more-under-investigation-for-alleged-roles-in-riot/35183403 https://www.wesh.com/article/2-capitol-police-officers-suspe...

eximius 6y ago

Okay, sure, China is scary _but Parler was literally doing those things_. This was not some overreaction, this is not ostracizing mere disagreeing philosophies, this is not like Trump calling the media the enemy of the people. They literally were plotting kidnapping, murder, and sedition. This is an appropriate response.

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zmmmmm 6y ago

There is a qualitative difference between concretely planning an attack and the things you describe. I am taking the platform's statements at face value, but what I understand is that they observed concrete, specific planning to coordinate a physical attack on US democratic institutions. In that sense, this is not about free speech at all. The actions taken were done with intent of preventing violence, not speech.

reaperducer 6y ago

This is what it feels like to live in a country like China, where if you criticize the government, or question the dominant narrative, or call for regime change, you are called a "terrorist" There's a big difference between criticizing the government and storming the capitol. Talk all you want. Engage in constructive debate. Run for office. Change laws through the system. All of those things are OK in the United States. Dragging a police officer down the stairs and beating him with a flag pole is not OK in the United States.