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How this cesspool got built is a metaphor for the wingnuts who used it. Most of us here know - if you want a resilient, censorship-free service, you can still:

How this cesspool got built is a metaphor for the wingnuts who used it. Most of us here know - if you want a resilient, censorship-free service, you can still: buy your own physical servers, rent data centre space (or a garage), buy multiple transit pipes to ensure traffic can get to them from a variety of places. You can move your servers around if you have to and keep your sovereignty despite everything else changing. It's how the internet was designed! Amazon, Google, Apple and most other private companies can go whistle if they want you offline. Sure it takes expertise, time, expense, negotiation... but that's the price of true freedom, internet patriots! Instead they built everything on top of the conveniences and goodwill of a single US company, with no backup plan. Hardly living in the wild west - and that's this mob down to a tee. Rich, well-connected dorks who desperately need the society they organise to tear down - why be surprised when the society hits back in such a tiny way as terminating their AWS account? If this is censorship, I'm a bowl of noodle soup.

ppeetteerr 6y ago
Reminds me of all the libertarians who flocked to Bitcoin because it was considered a way to circumvent the government, and then realized that a) you need governments to run the pipes, b) much of the mining is done by conglomerates and c) the unregulated market is about as stable as a ship at sea
- seanyesmunt 6y ago
  This is being worked on https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-bitcoin-wallet-mesh-network https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-bitcoin-wallet-mesh-network
mattbee 6y ago
Downvotes? raises fist to sky This is censorshiiiiip!!1!
fasdf1122 6y ago
just admit it, you're a closet racist.
throwawaygulf 6y ago
If Rosa Parks didn't like sitting in the back of the bus, she could have just started her own bus line! If GMC wouldn't sell her a bus, she could just make her own! Sure it takes expertise, time, expense, negotiation... but that's the price of true freedom! Before anyone comes crying: I in no way support the assault on the Capitol, calls to violence (which should be illegal), alt-right ethno-state madness, Qanon delusions etc. Nazism is a cancer on society.
- titzer 6y ago
  > If Rosa Parks didn't like sitting in the back of the bus, Buses are run by governments. And Rosa Parks wasn't advocating throwing molotov cocktails at bus drivers, she sat in the wrong damn seat in an act of civil disobedience. > If GMC wouldn't sell her a bus, It'd be great if GMC would refuse selling vehicles to insurrectionist militias, IMHO. Your analogies aren't doing any good here.
  - peytn 6y ago
    I believe the bus was operated by National City Lines. Could be wrong.
    - inscionent 6y ago
      "The Montgomery City Lines is sorry if anyone expects us to be exempt from any state or city law ... [w]e are sorry that the colored people blame us for any state or city ordinance which we didn't have passed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_City_Lines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_City_Lines
      - peytn 6y ago
        They were free to not do business with the city of Montgomery, if I’m following the logic of some of today’s discussion correctly.
  - throwawaygulf 6y ago
    >Buses are run by governments. Not the one Rosa Parks was on. >And Rosa Parks wasn't advocating throwing molotov cocktails Rosa Parks no, but other Black groups most definitely. Same with Parler, not everyone was advocating violence. >It'd be great if GMC would refuse selling vehicles to insurrectionist militias, IMHO. Yup, stop selling them to the Black insurrectionist militias (codeword for any Black political group), would have been great. >Your analogies aren't doing any good here. They're pretty great honestly, describes the general idea well.
umvi 6y ago
Yeah, and if you can't find an ISP that will allow your physical servers internet access you can always start your own ISP...
- mattbee 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-neutral_data_center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-neutral_data_center
  - umvi 6y ago
    Just curious, if I buy a physical server, how would I then go about installing it into a NNDC?
    - mattbee 6y ago
      Call them and ask! They may punt you to one of their customers if you just want a U or 2. If you plan on your own AS and IP space - full network independence - ask which carriers are there, and plan on a quarter or half rack for a router. You'd also need to become a member of your regional Internet registry (e.g. ARIN in the US) and ask them for resources - e.g. IP space and an AS number.
- jackson1442 6y ago
  This line is exactly why ISPs should be treated as a utility and not be allowed to deny service to anyone except in special circumstances. Many people depend on the internet for their livelihoods (like me!) and denying them access at their home is almost akin to an electric company denying someone access to the grid.
dang 6y ago
Please make your substantive points without posting in the flamewar style. We're trying to avoid the latter here because it destroys what HN is supposed to be for: curious, thoughtful conversation about interesting things. When accounts build up a track record of flamewar, snark, political/ideological battle, and other things that break the site guidelines, we ban them. We have to, because otherwise this place will be engulfed by hellfire and then become scorched earth. Those things may be exciting and/or activating for a while, but they're not interesting. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of this site to heart, we'd be grateful. You can still express your views in that spirit, as many other HN users have been showing.

ppeetteerr 6y ago

Reminds me of all the libertarians who flocked to Bitcoin because it was considered a way to circumvent the government, and then realized that a) you need governments to run the pipes, b) much of the mining is done by conglomerates and c) the unregulated market is about as stable as a ship at sea

seanyesmunt 6y ago
This is being worked on https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-bitcoin-wallet-mesh-network https://www.coindesk.com/gotenna-bitcoin-wallet-mesh-network

mattbee 6y ago

Downvotes? raises fist to sky This is censorshiiiiip!!1!

fasdf1122 6y ago

just admit it, you're a closet racist.

throwawaygulf 6y ago

If Rosa Parks didn't like sitting in the back of the bus, she could have just started her own bus line! If GMC wouldn't sell her a bus, she could just make her own! Sure it takes expertise, time, expense, negotiation... but that's the price of true freedom! Before anyone comes crying: I in no way support the assault on the Capitol, calls to violence (which should be illegal), alt-right ethno-state madness, Qanon delusions etc. Nazism is a cancer on society.

titzer 6y ago
> If Rosa Parks didn't like sitting in the back of the bus, Buses are run by governments. And Rosa Parks wasn't advocating throwing molotov cocktails at bus drivers, she sat in the wrong damn seat in an act of civil disobedience. > If GMC wouldn't sell her a bus, It'd be great if GMC would refuse selling vehicles to insurrectionist militias, IMHO. Your analogies aren't doing any good here.
- peytn 6y ago
  I believe the bus was operated by National City Lines. Could be wrong.
  - inscionent 6y ago
    "The Montgomery City Lines is sorry if anyone expects us to be exempt from any state or city law ... [w]e are sorry that the colored people blame us for any state or city ordinance which we didn't have passed." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_City_Lines https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_City_Lines
    - peytn 6y ago
      They were free to not do business with the city of Montgomery, if I’m following the logic of some of today’s discussion correctly.
- throwawaygulf 6y ago
  >Buses are run by governments. Not the one Rosa Parks was on. >And Rosa Parks wasn't advocating throwing molotov cocktails Rosa Parks no, but other Black groups most definitely. Same with Parler, not everyone was advocating violence. >It'd be great if GMC would refuse selling vehicles to insurrectionist militias, IMHO. Yup, stop selling them to the Black insurrectionist militias (codeword for any Black political group), would have been great. >Your analogies aren't doing any good here. They're pretty great honestly, describes the general idea well.

umvi 6y ago

Yeah, and if you can't find an ISP that will allow your physical servers internet access you can always start your own ISP...

mattbee 6y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-neutral_data_center https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network-neutral_data_center
- umvi 6y ago
  Just curious, if I buy a physical server, how would I then go about installing it into a NNDC?
  - mattbee 6y ago
    Call them and ask! They may punt you to one of their customers if you just want a U or 2. If you plan on your own AS and IP space - full network independence - ask which carriers are there, and plan on a quarter or half rack for a router. You'd also need to become a member of your regional Internet registry (e.g. ARIN in the US) and ask them for resources - e.g. IP space and an AS number.
jackson1442 6y ago
This line is exactly why ISPs should be treated as a utility and not be allowed to deny service to anyone except in special circumstances. Many people depend on the internet for their livelihoods (like me!) and denying them access at their home is almost akin to an electric company denying someone access to the grid.

dang 6y ago

Please make your substantive points without posting in the flamewar style. We're trying to avoid the latter here because it destroys what HN is supposed to be for: curious, thoughtful conversation about interesting things. When accounts build up a track record of flamewar, snark, political/ideological battle, and other things that break the site guidelines, we ban them. We have to, because otherwise this place will be engulfed by hellfire and then become scorched earth. Those things may be exciting and/or activating for a while, but they're not interesting. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of this site to heart, we'd be grateful. You can still express your views in that spirit, as many other HN users have been showing.