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No, this is not a good point. Parler is a one-purpose app that existed solely (and was moderated by its own employees) to foment a chamber of hateful, violent r

No, this is not a good point. Parler is a one-purpose app that existed solely (and was moderated by its own employees) to foment a chamber of hateful, violent rhetoric. Facebook and YouTube are used for many things by many people. Also Facebook and YouTube remove those kinds of content (even if they don't do a great job of it, they spend a whole lot of money employing a lot of people to get rid of it). Parler moderators removed those people who disagreed with the violent MAGA rhetoric. They're just not comparable, and pretending they are is ridiculous.

txsoftwaredev 6y ago
I signed up and used Parler and I was never hateful or violent. Its purpose was not that but to have a place where conservative voices (or anyone for that matter) could speak freely without the risk of being silenced by Twitter, Facebook etc. because your views didn't align with the left.
- verall 6y ago
  Can you give some (just 1 is fine) examples of people being silenced because their views didn't align with the left? I have yet to see a single one. I see people that were silenced for - Denying the current covid-sars-2 pandemic - Direct calls to violence I have seen people that were "fact-checked" (which is itself discussion, not silencing) for claiming that the 2020 election result is fraudulent. None of this is silencing because your views don't align with the left. If you believe covid is a hoax created by George Soros or that Bill Gates bought votes in the 2020 election, your views don't align with reality.
  - hackinthebochs 6y ago
    Milo Yannopolis comes to mind.
    - verall 6y ago
      Milo had a book deal and was scheduled to speak at CPAC until someone uncovered a podcast of him defending the molestation of 13 year olds as a normal coming of age ritual. I am not sure whether to assume you have not researched how he lost his platform or if you feel that defending molestation is "views that don't align with the left".
      - hackinthebochs 6y ago
        Seems like the example meets your criteria. There was nothing in his statements that were inherently illegal and so cancelling him for legal speech is an example of the Left's overreach among silicon valley decision-makers. This article[1] mentions more such far-right personalities that were banned for more traditional far-right views. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-ban-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-...
        verall 6y ago
        Milo losing his book deal was not chosen by "the Left" or "silicon valley decision-makers" as they are not the publishing company. People have lost book deals for much less. Such is business. He lost his Twitter and Facebook for harassing people and his official Youtube is doing just fine. > Traditional far-right views Can you give an example of a traditional far-right view any of the 3 people in the article were banned for? The article mentions Alex Jones and Laura Loomer. They were taken off of social media repeatedly encouraging followers to harass people (mobbing). Encouraging/organizing mobbing will even get you banned from 4chan. The number of sites that allow such behavior is exceedingly low, and Alex Jones got several chances to stop before being taken off of youtube and facebook.
        hackinthebochs 6y ago
        I have no problem with losing a book deal when you say something that endangers your ability to sell books. Regarding social media, I was referring to him being banned from Facebook for unspecific reasons[1] Regarding Laura Loomer, her twitter ban doesn't appear to constitute harassment by any reasonable definition[2]. Even if we grant she harassed Omar on twitter, that doesn't justify being banned from payment processors, uber, and food delivery services[3]. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/tech/facebook-ban-louis-farrakhan-infowars-alex-jones-milo-laura-loomer/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/tech/facebook-ban-louis-farra... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/laura-loomer-banned-twitter-after-criticizing-ilhan-omar-n939256 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/laura-loomer-banned-tw... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/paypal-bans-pro-trump-anti-muslim-fanatic-laura-loomer-1319563 https://www.newsweek.com/paypal-bans-pro-trump-anti-muslim-f...
- ketamine__ 6y ago
  Plenty of conservative voices on Twitter.

txsoftwaredev 6y ago

I signed up and used Parler and I was never hateful or violent. Its purpose was not that but to have a place where conservative voices (or anyone for that matter) could speak freely without the risk of being silenced by Twitter, Facebook etc. because your views didn't align with the left.

verall 6y ago
Can you give some (just 1 is fine) examples of people being silenced because their views didn't align with the left? I have yet to see a single one. I see people that were silenced for - Denying the current covid-sars-2 pandemic - Direct calls to violence I have seen people that were "fact-checked" (which is itself discussion, not silencing) for claiming that the 2020 election result is fraudulent. None of this is silencing because your views don't align with the left. If you believe covid is a hoax created by George Soros or that Bill Gates bought votes in the 2020 election, your views don't align with reality.
- hackinthebochs 6y ago
  Milo Yannopolis comes to mind.
  - verall 6y ago
    Milo had a book deal and was scheduled to speak at CPAC until someone uncovered a podcast of him defending the molestation of 13 year olds as a normal coming of age ritual. I am not sure whether to assume you have not researched how he lost his platform or if you feel that defending molestation is "views that don't align with the left".
    - hackinthebochs 6y ago
      Seems like the example meets your criteria. There was nothing in his statements that were inherently illegal and so cancelling him for legal speech is an example of the Left's overreach among silicon valley decision-makers. This article[1] mentions more such far-right personalities that were banned for more traditional far-right views. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-ban-alex-jones-milo-yiannopoulos https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/may/02/facebook-...
      - verall 6y ago
        Milo losing his book deal was not chosen by "the Left" or "silicon valley decision-makers" as they are not the publishing company. People have lost book deals for much less. Such is business. He lost his Twitter and Facebook for harassing people and his official Youtube is doing just fine. > Traditional far-right views Can you give an example of a traditional far-right view any of the 3 people in the article were banned for? The article mentions Alex Jones and Laura Loomer. They were taken off of social media repeatedly encouraging followers to harass people (mobbing). Encouraging/organizing mobbing will even get you banned from 4chan. The number of sites that allow such behavior is exceedingly low, and Alex Jones got several chances to stop before being taken off of youtube and facebook.
        hackinthebochs 6y ago
        I have no problem with losing a book deal when you say something that endangers your ability to sell books. Regarding social media, I was referring to him being banned from Facebook for unspecific reasons[1] Regarding Laura Loomer, her twitter ban doesn't appear to constitute harassment by any reasonable definition[2]. Even if we grant she harassed Omar on twitter, that doesn't justify being banned from payment processors, uber, and food delivery services[3]. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/tech/facebook-ban-louis-farrakhan-infowars-alex-jones-milo-laura-loomer/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/02/tech/facebook-ban-louis-farra... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/laura-loomer-banned-twitter-after-criticizing-ilhan-omar-n939256 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/security/laura-loomer-banned-tw... [3] https://www.newsweek.com/paypal-bans-pro-trump-anti-muslim-fanatic-laura-loomer-1319563 https://www.newsweek.com/paypal-bans-pro-trump-anti-muslim-f...
ketamine__ 6y ago
Plenty of conservative voices on Twitter.