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Which group tried to murder members of Congress and fundamentally alter or stop our constitutional process because they were mad they didn’t get they’re way? Wh

Which group tried to murder members of Congress and fundamentally alter or stop our constitutional process because they were mad they didn’t get they’re way? Who is threatening to have armed rallies to finish the job? Please, tell me why refusing to follow the constitution or ending the country is on par with a Target being burned down. I’ll wait.

listless 6y ago
I'd be careful with us pretending one of these groups is less violent or more dangerous than the other. The right just got done making that same logical mistake. It's a long way to the bottom when you claim the high ground.
- pstuart 6y ago
  Why the false equivalency? BLM's stated goal is to end police oppression of people of color. White Nationalists' stated goal is to "cleanse" the country by force.
  - listless 6y ago
    I think _that's_ the false equivalency right there. The right does the exact same thing, only it looks something like this... > "Why the false equivalency? Trump's stated goal is to bring back jobs and protect America. BLM's stated goal is Marxism and the destruction of the western nuclear family."
    - pstuart 6y ago
      Rubber and glue FTW, eh?
pc86 6y ago
For one, let's stop with the self-masturbatory "I'll wait" bullshit. It doesn't add to the conversation and it just makes you look like an asshole. Destroying private property and destroying public property are both wrong. Reasonable people can disagree about whether one is worse, and which one.
a_crc 6y ago
A "left-wing activist" actually shot the house majority whip in 2017, and he was actively trying to assassinate other republican politicians as well. [0] I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party, but we can't pretend that only one side has been radicalized to the point of violence. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
  To be fair, a difference here is that it was one sole person committing that act, and they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning. One-off stuff like that happens all the time and is not necessarily indicative of any kind of trend. > I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party As someone who used to vote for the occasional republican, neither can I. In fact, as far as I am concerned the republican brand is now unsalvageable and any sane conservative would have to be running under a different label since I can't trust the reasoning of anyone who'd run under that one anymore.
  - a_crc 6y ago
    I agree that the lone wolf nature of the attack makes a difference, but if we are going to paint other lone wolf shooters as products of their political beliefs then we have to apply the same standard in this case. >they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning I would invite you to look at discussions of the incident on reddit, it might change your mind. That said, I agree that the celebration of politically motivated violence is despicable, and the unwillingness of some the members and supporters of the republican party to condemn the recent riot is a terrible mistake. My main goal with my first comment was to remind everyone that painting the people we have political disagreements with as irredeemable monsters can drive people from both sides to violence. I'd also like to thank you for taking the time to reply instead of downvoting and moving on, this is a tough subject and I don't think my hasty 1st comment was sufficient to the task.

listless 6y ago

I'd be careful with us pretending one of these groups is less violent or more dangerous than the other. The right just got done making that same logical mistake. It's a long way to the bottom when you claim the high ground.

pstuart 6y ago
Why the false equivalency? BLM's stated goal is to end police oppression of people of color. White Nationalists' stated goal is to "cleanse" the country by force.
- listless 6y ago
  I think _that's_ the false equivalency right there. The right does the exact same thing, only it looks something like this... > "Why the false equivalency? Trump's stated goal is to bring back jobs and protect America. BLM's stated goal is Marxism and the destruction of the western nuclear family."
  - pstuart 6y ago
    Rubber and glue FTW, eh?

pc86 6y ago

For one, let's stop with the self-masturbatory "I'll wait" bullshit. It doesn't add to the conversation and it just makes you look like an asshole. Destroying private property and destroying public property are both wrong. Reasonable people can disagree about whether one is worse, and which one.

a_crc 6y ago

A "left-wing activist" actually shot the house majority whip in 2017, and he was actively trying to assassinate other republican politicians as well. [0] I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party, but we can't pretend that only one side has been radicalized to the point of violence. [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_shooting https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Congressional_baseball_sh...

AnIdiotOnTheNet 6y ago
To be fair, a difference here is that it was one sole person committing that act, and they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning. One-off stuff like that happens all the time and is not necessarily indicative of any kind of trend. > I'll never vote for another republican for as long as Trumpism remains a part of the party As someone who used to vote for the occasional republican, neither can I. In fact, as far as I am concerned the republican brand is now unsalvageable and any sane conservative would have to be running under a different label since I can't trust the reasoning of anyone who'd run under that one anymore.
- a_crc 6y ago
  I agree that the lone wolf nature of the attack makes a difference, but if we are going to paint other lone wolf shooters as products of their political beliefs then we have to apply the same standard in this case. >they generally were not paraded around as heroes by people of similar political leaning I would invite you to look at discussions of the incident on reddit, it might change your mind. That said, I agree that the celebration of politically motivated violence is despicable, and the unwillingness of some the members and supporters of the republican party to condemn the recent riot is a terrible mistake. My main goal with my first comment was to remind everyone that painting the people we have political disagreements with as irredeemable monsters can drive people from both sides to violence. I'd also like to thank you for taking the time to reply instead of downvoting and moving on, this is a tough subject and I don't think my hasty 1st comment was sufficient to the task.