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I think the new part is that they have started to censor anyone that is even vaguely conservative. Even open critics of Trump like Ron Paul, and now RNC. The e
by Grustaf 6y ago
I think the new part is that they have started to censor anyone that is even vaguely conservative. Even open critics of Trump like Ron Paul, and now RNC.
The end game is obviously that anyone that is not a woke liberal will be cancelled. For the good of the country of course.
- bitwize 6y ago> The end game is obviously that anyone that is not a woke liberal will be cancelled. You say "woke liberal", I say decent person. If you're an unrepentant asshole, you damn well should be cancelled!
- Grustaf 6y agoSo only woke liberals are “decent human beings”? Ron Paul is an “unrepentant asshole”?
- bitwize 6y agoBy current standards, a big part of human decency is putting the safety of the marginalized before the comfort of the privileged. Republicans as a whole have a very poor track record with that.
- tomp 6y agoThis isn't exactly a claim based in reality. Republicans get most of their vote from poorer non-coastal rural communities. Elites (educated, professionals, academics, tech workers, ...) vote Democrat.
- Steltek 6y agoSocio-economic class is not tied to moral values or compassion.
- Grustaf 6y agoBeing a woke liberal is the only way to be moral or compassionate? Or just the only allowed way?
- dsr_ 6y agoAligning yourself with Nazis is definitely not in the realm of "moral or compassionate". People wearing Camp Auschwitz t-shirts are declaring themselves to be Nazis. People wearing 6MWNE t-shirts are declaring themselves to be Nazis. A new congressional rep quoting Hitler approvingly is a Nazi: https://www.wcia.com/news/politics/lawmakers-governor-condemn-rep-mary-millers-hitler-was-right-on-one-thing-comment/ https://www.wcia.com/news/politics/lawmakers-governor-condem... People supporting Nazis are Nazis. Salesforce doesn't want to be aligned with Nazis. Neither do I.
- Grustaf 6y agoI don't think anyone has said anything about those people being moral or compassionate. It is possible to not be a liberal without being a nazi, I promise.
- throwawaygulf 6y agoAligning yourself with Communists is definitely not in the realm of "moral or compassionate". People wearing Che Guevara t-shirts are declaring themselves to be Communists. People wearing hammer and sickle t-shirts are declaring themselves to be Communists. People supporting Communists are Communists. Communism killed many more people than Nazism did.
- throwawaygulf 6y ago>safety of the marginalized before the comfort of the privileged. Democrats have an even worse track record with that if you check the statistics for Democrat ran cities.
- heyoni 6y agoYour entire argument is predicated on the notion that cancelling a movement trying to overthrow a democratic election is a slippery slope. This is false; the events of 1/6 has forced people to take a side or potentially watch democracy die. This isn’t a fringe movement at all, there were congressmen taking part in the riot, our president actively encouraged it and 74 million voted for the guy who refuses to admit defeat. At what point exactly do people start to get uncomfortable enough to spring into action? No one knows for sure, but this seems like a pretty good place.
- themaninthedark 6y agoAnd when the people who farm, mine and do other work to provide services to you decide that you are the unrepentant asshole, will you be just as gung-ho about them cancelling you as well?
- Grustaf 6y agoLuckily they have no power, all their goods are mediated by global corporates with correct politics.
- themaninthedark 6y agoAh, the might makes right argument. Global corporations are for global corporations. If you think that Nike, Amazon, Apple, Microsoft, et al. are going to be good companies that help the human condition and raise people up...you are not looking at the actions of these companies.
- Grustaf 6y agoI’m being sarcastic
- themaninthedark 6y agoAh, sorry :) Poe's law and all. I rarely pay attention to usernames, I think that the message is more important than who is saying it, if I did so I might have noticed you commented further up the chain.
- bitwize 6y agoWhen your country has a fash problem, such that the fash nearly takes over the Capitol, an overwhelming display of might, in the name of right, may be warranted. It's certainly an understandable reaction.
- steve_g 6y agoIt's a problem if the only space on the political/social spectrum you consider "decent" is woke liberalism. The great benefit of civilization is that we can live peacefully with people that we disagree with. If you think everyone who is not a woke liberal is an asshole, fine. But if you want to cancel all assholes, that's not fine. There have been many times in history when positions that you undoubtedly take were considered "asshole positions" by those in power. Those time will come again. We need to figure out how to live together.
- prepend 6y ago> unrepentant asshole This is pretty subjective. Should we just have a real-time poll to determine who is an asshole? Separately from that, I think society needs assholes and trying to sanitize this element entirely will make us worse (queue Team America video).
- heyoni 6y agoOk. Why?
- merpnderp 6y agoWhat you’re describing was in a Black Mirror episode. You might want to think deeper on what “rough justice” looked like historically and how it was treated by history before so eagerly embracing it.
- Grustaf 6y agoAh, what episode?
- ceejayoz 6y agoRon Paul previously had thoughts on private businesses and discrimination you might want to read. https://mises.org/wire/government-should-leave-bakers-alone https://mises.org/wire/government-should-leave-bakers-alone > Rights are not gifts from government, so the government cannot restrict them unless we engage in force or fraud. The bakery did not use force to stop any same-sex couple from getting a wedding cake. It simply exercised its right to decide who it would accept as a customer. No one would support private individuals forcing bakery employees to bake a cake at gunpoint, so why is it right for the government to do it?
- Grustaf 6y agoDo you think that is why they banned him?
- ceejayoz 6y agoNo, I think it's funny for Ron Paul to be complaining Facebook did the exact thing he said businesses should be able to do.
- salawat 6y agoHe's not complaining Facebook did exactly what he championed they had a right to do. The complaint is that they could not point out how he had breached terms of service/community guidelines as he was notified his account was terminated because of. If they could poiint to the offending material that would be one thing. If they gave advanced warning and said "Pack your stuff, we're done serving you. Period. You have X hours." It would have been fine. Saying someone did X, Y, and Z, then refusing to produce evidence is the problem there.
- Grustaf 6y agoI don’t care about his feelings, hypocritical or not. I’m alarmed when they start censoring people without even pretending they’re remotely dangerous. He simply has the wrong politics and is too popular.
- Steltek 6y agoFalse. The RNC is not an open critic of the leader of their party.