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Have they colluded with Russia again?

by mcosta 6y ago

Jonnax 6y ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/senate-panel-backs-intelligence-agencies-on-russia-trump-conclusions-idUSKBN1JT2YB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/se... "A Senate Intelligence Committee report released on Tuesday supports three U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election." Are you saying there wasn't collusion?
- gadders 6y ago
  That article says Russia meddled in the election. There is nothing there to say they did it in coordination with Trump or any of his staff.
- jariel 6y ago
  Mueller determined the Russians were interfering in the election, but there was no evidence linking Trump to those efforts. Given it was the largest such investigation of it's kind in history with hundreds of witnesses, many of them 'flipped' and singing like birds to avoid jail including Trump's own personal lawyer - it seems there was no collusion. Trump's friends were dirty with Russian money, they were caught lying - and even worse, Trump was apparently trying to obstruct justice. So it's all very bad, but there was no collusion. Many Americans believe there was collusion, which is a belief not based on evidence - you can see the massive irony here. As far as the RNC - if they were involved in the insurrection, then ban them, otherwise I don't think the should be banned as this is going to get out of hand very quickly. Many citizens and police officers died this summer of protests, even if they had more of a kind of legitimacy, they were still obviously dangerous and destructive, and many people supported the violence directly. Around the world, there is all sorts of crazy stuff going on, FB is being accused of hosting some genocidal propaganda in SE Asia, it's going to get rough, we need clear thinking and guidelines. I don't trust corporate America to be the world's arbiter of information.
- mcosta 6y ago
  So, USA presidential election process is weak and can be "hacked". Right?
cabaalis 6y ago
I believe Russia's goal in that work was not to get Trump in but to destabilize. They are certainly succeeding.
lol2143651 6y ago
No they used state intelligence services to spy on opposition politicians and brainstormed criminal charges to bring against them. Oh wait...

Have they colluded with Russia again?

by mcosta 6y ago

Have they colluded with Russia again?

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/senate-panel-backs-intelligence-agencies-on-russia-trump-conclusions-idUSKBN1JT2YB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/se... "A Senate Intelligence Committee report released on Tuesday supports three U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election." Are you saying there wasn't collusion?

gadders 6y ago
That article says Russia meddled in the election. There is nothing there to say they did it in coordination with Trump or any of his staff.
jariel 6y ago
Mueller determined the Russians were interfering in the election, but there was no evidence linking Trump to those efforts. Given it was the largest such investigation of it's kind in history with hundreds of witnesses, many of them 'flipped' and singing like birds to avoid jail including Trump's own personal lawyer - it seems there was no collusion. Trump's friends were dirty with Russian money, they were caught lying - and even worse, Trump was apparently trying to obstruct justice. So it's all very bad, but there was no collusion. Many Americans believe there was collusion, which is a belief not based on evidence - you can see the massive irony here. As far as the RNC - if they were involved in the insurrection, then ban them, otherwise I don't think the should be banned as this is going to get out of hand very quickly. Many citizens and police officers died this summer of protests, even if they had more of a kind of legitimacy, they were still obviously dangerous and destructive, and many people supported the violence directly. Around the world, there is all sorts of crazy stuff going on, FB is being accused of hosting some genocidal propaganda in SE Asia, it's going to get rough, we need clear thinking and guidelines. I don't trust corporate America to be the world's arbiter of information.
mcosta 6y ago
So, USA presidential election process is weak and can be "hacked". Right?

cabaalis 6y ago

I believe Russia's goal in that work was not to get Trump in but to destabilize. They are certainly succeeding.

lol2143651 6y ago

No they used state intelligence services to spy on opposition politicians and brainstormed criminal charges to bring against them. Oh wait...