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Because they tried to overthrow an election.

by woofyman 6y ago

mcosta 6y ago
Have they colluded with Russia again?
- Jonnax 6y ago
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/senate-panel-backs-intelligence-agencies-on-russia-trump-conclusions-idUSKBN1JT2YB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/se... "A Senate Intelligence Committee report released on Tuesday supports three U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election." Are you saying there wasn't collusion?
  - gadders 6y ago
    That article says Russia meddled in the election. There is nothing there to say they did it in coordination with Trump or any of his staff.
  - jariel 6y ago
    Mueller determined the Russians were interfering in the election, but there was no evidence linking Trump to those efforts. Given it was the largest such investigation of it's kind in history with hundreds of witnesses, many of them 'flipped' and singing like birds to avoid jail including Trump's own personal lawyer - it seems there was no collusion. Trump's friends were dirty with Russian money, they were caught lying - and even worse, Trump was apparently trying to obstruct justice. So it's all very bad, but there was no collusion. Many Americans believe there was collusion, which is a belief not based on evidence - you can see the massive irony here. As far as the RNC - if they were involved in the insurrection, then ban them, otherwise I don't think the should be banned as this is going to get out of hand very quickly. Many citizens and police officers died this summer of protests, even if they had more of a kind of legitimacy, they were still obviously dangerous and destructive, and many people supported the violence directly. Around the world, there is all sorts of crazy stuff going on, FB is being accused of hosting some genocidal propaganda in SE Asia, it's going to get rough, we need clear thinking and guidelines. I don't trust corporate America to be the world's arbiter of information.
  - mcosta 6y ago
    So, USA presidential election process is weak and can be "hacked". Right?
- cabaalis 6y ago
  I believe Russia's goal in that work was not to get Trump in but to destabilize. They are certainly succeeding.
- lol2143651 6y ago
  No they used state intelligence services to spy on opposition politicians and brainstormed criminal charges to bring against them. Oh wait...
zthrowaway 6y ago
Did they specifically? From what I understand it was Trump, his supporters, and administration. A lot of republicans hate him and never supported him. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
- warning26 6y ago
  The RNC specifically, yes. They were sending out this email on Jan 6: > “Every single Patriot from across the Country must step up RIGHT NOW if we’re going to successfully DEFEND the integrity of this Election.”
  - curlypaul924 6y ago
    Do you have a source for that? I would like to see the rest of the email. I tried a Google search, but could not find anything from a source I was confident is reliable.
    - NDizzle 6y ago
      Here's one that I have dated Jan 6th: <FistName>, The Vice President is right. TODAY will be a crucial milestone in our months-long effort to DEFEND Election integrity. Over 100 Members of Congress plan to object to the Election results, because they share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities. This is our last line of defense, <FistName>. President Trump and Vice President Pence will never stop fighting to deliver you a FAIR and HONEST Election, and now they need to know they have your support. For a short time, when you contribute to the Official Defend America Fund, you can increase your impact by 1000%. We’re calling on our STRONGEST allies to step up to the front lines of this nasty battle. With your help, we’ll uncover the TRUTH. Please contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Defend America Fund and you can increase your impact by 1000%. >> Join America's Defenders CONTRIBUTE $250 = $2750 CONTRIBUTE $100 = $1100 CONTRIBUTE $50 = $550 CONTRIBUTE $45 = $495 CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT Your support has never been more critical than it is RIGHT NOW, <FistName>. President Trump will be reviewing a list of EVERY Patriot who stepped up when he needed them most. Can he count on you? Contribute ANY AMOUNT TODAY to support your President and you can increase your impact by 1000%. Thank you, Team Trump
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Because they tried to overthrow an election.

mcosta 6y ago

Have they colluded with Russia again?

Jonnax 6y ago
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/senate-panel-backs-intelligence-agencies-on-russia-trump-conclusions-idUSKBN1JT2YB https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-cyber/se... "A Senate Intelligence Committee report released on Tuesday supports three U.S. intelligence agencies’ conclusion that Russia tried to help Donald Trump win the 2016 U.S. presidential election." Are you saying there wasn't collusion?
- gadders 6y ago
  That article says Russia meddled in the election. There is nothing there to say they did it in coordination with Trump or any of his staff.
- jariel 6y ago
  Mueller determined the Russians were interfering in the election, but there was no evidence linking Trump to those efforts. Given it was the largest such investigation of it's kind in history with hundreds of witnesses, many of them 'flipped' and singing like birds to avoid jail including Trump's own personal lawyer - it seems there was no collusion. Trump's friends were dirty with Russian money, they were caught lying - and even worse, Trump was apparently trying to obstruct justice. So it's all very bad, but there was no collusion. Many Americans believe there was collusion, which is a belief not based on evidence - you can see the massive irony here. As far as the RNC - if they were involved in the insurrection, then ban them, otherwise I don't think the should be banned as this is going to get out of hand very quickly. Many citizens and police officers died this summer of protests, even if they had more of a kind of legitimacy, they were still obviously dangerous and destructive, and many people supported the violence directly. Around the world, there is all sorts of crazy stuff going on, FB is being accused of hosting some genocidal propaganda in SE Asia, it's going to get rough, we need clear thinking and guidelines. I don't trust corporate America to be the world's arbiter of information.
- mcosta 6y ago
  So, USA presidential election process is weak and can be "hacked". Right?
cabaalis 6y ago
I believe Russia's goal in that work was not to get Trump in but to destabilize. They are certainly succeeding.
lol2143651 6y ago
No they used state intelligence services to spy on opposition politicians and brainstormed criminal charges to bring against them. Oh wait...

zthrowaway 6y ago

Did they specifically? From what I understand it was Trump, his supporters, and administration. A lot of republicans hate him and never supported him. Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.

warning26 6y ago
The RNC specifically, yes. They were sending out this email on Jan 6: > “Every single Patriot from across the Country must step up RIGHT NOW if we’re going to successfully DEFEND the integrity of this Election.”
- curlypaul924 6y ago
  Do you have a source for that? I would like to see the rest of the email. I tried a Google search, but could not find anything from a source I was confident is reliable.
  - NDizzle 6y ago
    Here's one that I have dated Jan 6th: <FistName>, The Vice President is right. TODAY will be a crucial milestone in our months-long effort to DEFEND Election integrity. Over 100 Members of Congress plan to object to the Election results, because they share the concerns of millions of Americans about voting irregularities. This is our last line of defense, <FistName>. President Trump and Vice President Pence will never stop fighting to deliver you a FAIR and HONEST Election, and now they need to know they have your support. For a short time, when you contribute to the Official Defend America Fund, you can increase your impact by 1000%. We’re calling on our STRONGEST allies to step up to the front lines of this nasty battle. With your help, we’ll uncover the TRUTH. Please contribute ANY AMOUNT IMMEDIATELY to the Official Defend America Fund and you can increase your impact by 1000%. >> Join America's Defenders CONTRIBUTE $250 = $2750 CONTRIBUTE $100 = $1100 CONTRIBUTE $50 = $550 CONTRIBUTE $45 = $495 CONTRIBUTE ANY AMOUNT Your support has never been more critical than it is RIGHT NOW, <FistName>. President Trump will be reviewing a list of EVERY Patriot who stepped up when he needed them most. Can he count on you? Contribute ANY AMOUNT TODAY to support your President and you can increase your impact by 1000%. Thank you, Team Trump

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