4 ms·
>the distributed nature of American election >Their results come from the county level, of which there are over three thousand in the US, many of which are hea
by throwaway0a5e 6y ago
>the distributed nature of American election
>Their results come from the county level, of which there are over three thousand in the US, many of which are heavily Republican, and each of which is responsible for its own election setup, count, and verification.
>You'd have to convince tens if not hundreds of thousands of election officials and volunteers to participate and cover it up.
Tell that to Al Gore.
Our elections are so "distributed" that every presidential election in the past 50yr or so has comes down to a number of counties you can count on two hands in a number of states you can count on one hand. The election may be distributed but the results in the overwhelming majority of states is a foregone conclusion.
I don't see how anyone can call our (presidential) elections distributed with a straight face. Take Georgia, the example you picked. As usual the rural areas went red, the suburbs went a red or blue shade of purple and the city went blue. At the end of the day the question was whether there was enough blue in the city to exceed the red everywhere else. And this is why there's always a big argument over whether or not a fraction of a percent of inner city voters at the margin are being disfranchised by this or that policy. Basically every state goes down in this manner, albeit that in most of them the proportion between red voters and blue voters is different enough you can be reasonably sure of the results in advance. So the presidential election always comes down to a handful of city counties that will or won't flip their states red/blue based on turnout. (See also, why using gerrymandering to carve up cities to minimize or maximize their representation is such a big problem).
Our elections are "distributed" in name only.
- ceejayoz 6y agoAgain, Georgia's Republican and Trump-endorsed (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/politics/trump-brian-kemp-georgia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/us/politics/trump-brian-k...) Governor and Secretary of State had every political reason to go digging here, yet both firmly attest to the accuracy of the count.
- throwaway0a5e 6y agoI'm not disagreeing with anything related to Georgia's results. I'm disagreeing with your analysis that our elections are sufficiently distributed to make them inherently secure. Like I said, the way our elections are structured it always comes down to 10-ish counties in 5-ish states, tops. Heck you could probably flip most battleground states red by paying off the public transit union to go on strike if you wanted. The margins are that thin.
- ceejayoz 6y agoThe margins being this thin electorally when Biden got 51.3% to 46.8% of the popular vote is indicative of a serious issue, but not the one you're claiming. Thin electoral margins also give people like Kemp/Raffensperger even more reason to speak up if there was even a smidgen of evidence for "the steal".