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Is this _really_ just due to the Trump scandal? Facebook is doing so much shady stuff to people, I wouldn't be surprised if some people took their hatred too f

Is this _really_ just due to the Trump scandal? Facebook is doing so much shady stuff to people, I wouldn't be surprised if some people took their hatred too far (I dearly do hope nobody takes it out on random employees though!).

loceng 6y ago
That group of people manipulated by Trump et al just stormed the Capitol and people died. There were ~74 million who voted for Trump, how many are willing to go so far, only God knows.
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  If they had more people willing to storm the Capitol for the election results they would have gone already. I don't see how these extremists could benefit from act of violence on private business or citizens. Despite the deaths, I'm glad this happened, at least we now have example of rioters on both sides. Maybe the third party will gain the remaining sane people in the USA?
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    This was nothing to be glad about, no matter what side you are on.
    - jokethrowaway 6y ago
      You can find a positive spin for any event, despite how terrible it may be.
      - splendidHaiku 6y ago
        Overall it had no positive spin - so no. Also there is a difference between "This was nothing to be glad about" and "There was nothing to be glad about".
        jokethrowaway 6y ago
        It's all relative. From where I stand a few deaths are not that important. The more political parties in the USA taint themselves the greater the chance people will change the status quo. The USA is one of the few places were people are crazy enough to change things.
      - refurb 6y ago
        Ok. Give me the positive spin on 9/11.
        jokethrowaway 6y ago
        This generation realised waging useless wars is not beneficial and it's not a good response to act of terrors. You can find many, depending on your opinions
        refurb 6y ago
        Hmmm... but we did wage two wars based on 9/11. And are still killing people with drones.
  - eertami 6y ago
    Until the US implements proportional representation, any third party is always going to have an inconsequential amount of votes.
    - jokethrowaway 6y ago
      If governments spending keeps increasing, you'll probably reach a point in which it won't be that unrealistic. There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected. You can see trump as one meager step in that direction. I think the natural conclusion, after seeing that things are not changing by voting mainstream parties, is to actually vote someone else.
      - pjc50 6y ago
        > There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected. [citation needed]
        jokethrowaway 6y ago
        Eg. Italy and the v-day (f*k you day against politicians) which turned into the 5 star movement. It's not a success story, nothing really changed and the party turned into the establishment (they didn't really have a plan), but it shows where people's heart is. Right and left wing parties in Italy laughed at it at the beginning, nobody thought they would ever win.
        rleigh 6y ago
        You don't need a "citation". Off the top of my head, Greece and Italy. Just read the news regularly. The Euro has devastated the economies of several countries, and the fallout has been slowly building for the last decade. You don't have youth unemployment over 50%, lack of opportunity, lack of investment, and lack of control over your future without it having far-reaching implications. The current state of things doesn't leave much (if any) opportunity for this to be corrected. They are permanently indebted. Exiting the Eurozone and reverting to national currencies is pretty much the only answer to fix their economies. Italy has a lot of very productive industries. But they can't compete with Germany and other northern European countries while the scales are tipped firmly against them due to their currencies being tied together via the Euro. A freely floating currency would correct that and make Italy a very promising place to invest in and export from. Greece is a different story, and it is not entirely blameless. It should never have been allowed to join the Euro. But the cause of its economic woes is the same: its currency is tied to stronger economies with which it can't hope to complete, and that economic imbalance has caused complete devastation of its economy.
  - pyrale 6y ago
    > at least we now have example of rioters on both sides. There were exemple of rioters on both sides for a long time. What's new is not simply rioters either.
chefkoch 6y ago
>Is this _really_ just due to the Trump scandal? Which one? Cambridge Analytica The strategy meetings The storming of the Capitol I'm sure i forgot some.
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dspillett 6y ago
Yes. Since the various platforms dropped Trumps there have been threats made that were not being made beforehand, and those are threats to cause harm to people or property not just threats to leave the network (which is generally what people threatened after the other recent scandals like CA). Those threats are probably just idiots sounding off and will never come to anything, but given recent events being careful just-in-case is quite prudent. An idiot sounding off can easily turn into an idiot taking action.

loceng 6y ago

That group of people manipulated by Trump et al just stormed the Capitol and people died. There were ~74 million who voted for Trump, how many are willing to go so far, only God knows.

jokethrowaway 6y ago
If they had more people willing to storm the Capitol for the election results they would have gone already. I don't see how these extremists could benefit from act of violence on private business or citizens. Despite the deaths, I'm glad this happened, at least we now have example of rioters on both sides. Maybe the third party will gain the remaining sane people in the USA?
- jacquesm 6y ago
  This was nothing to be glad about, no matter what side you are on.
  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    You can find a positive spin for any event, despite how terrible it may be.
    - splendidHaiku 6y ago
      Overall it had no positive spin - so no. Also there is a difference between "This was nothing to be glad about" and "There was nothing to be glad about".
      - jokethrowaway 6y ago
        It's all relative. From where I stand a few deaths are not that important. The more political parties in the USA taint themselves the greater the chance people will change the status quo. The USA is one of the few places were people are crazy enough to change things.
    - refurb 6y ago
      Ok. Give me the positive spin on 9/11.
      - jokethrowaway 6y ago
        This generation realised waging useless wars is not beneficial and it's not a good response to act of terrors. You can find many, depending on your opinions
        refurb 6y ago
        Hmmm... but we did wage two wars based on 9/11. And are still killing people with drones.
- eertami 6y ago
  Until the US implements proportional representation, any third party is always going to have an inconsequential amount of votes.
  - jokethrowaway 6y ago
    If governments spending keeps increasing, you'll probably reach a point in which it won't be that unrealistic. There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected. You can see trump as one meager step in that direction. I think the natural conclusion, after seeing that things are not changing by voting mainstream parties, is to actually vote someone else.
    - pjc50 6y ago
      > There are European states in which government overreach wrecked the economy so much that anti-establishment parties got elected. [citation needed]
      - jokethrowaway 6y ago
        Eg. Italy and the v-day (f*k you day against politicians) which turned into the 5 star movement. It's not a success story, nothing really changed and the party turned into the establishment (they didn't really have a plan), but it shows where people's heart is. Right and left wing parties in Italy laughed at it at the beginning, nobody thought they would ever win.
      - rleigh 6y ago
        You don't need a "citation". Off the top of my head, Greece and Italy. Just read the news regularly. The Euro has devastated the economies of several countries, and the fallout has been slowly building for the last decade. You don't have youth unemployment over 50%, lack of opportunity, lack of investment, and lack of control over your future without it having far-reaching implications. The current state of things doesn't leave much (if any) opportunity for this to be corrected. They are permanently indebted. Exiting the Eurozone and reverting to national currencies is pretty much the only answer to fix their economies. Italy has a lot of very productive industries. But they can't compete with Germany and other northern European countries while the scales are tipped firmly against them due to their currencies being tied together via the Euro. A freely floating currency would correct that and make Italy a very promising place to invest in and export from. Greece is a different story, and it is not entirely blameless. It should never have been allowed to join the Euro. But the cause of its economic woes is the same: its currency is tied to stronger economies with which it can't hope to complete, and that economic imbalance has caused complete devastation of its economy.
- pyrale 6y ago
  > at least we now have example of rioters on both sides. There were exemple of rioters on both sides for a long time. What's new is not simply rioters either.

chefkoch 6y ago

>Is this _really_ just due to the Trump scandal? Which one? Cambridge Analytica The strategy meetings The storming of the Capitol I'm sure i forgot some.

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dspillett 6y ago

Yes. Since the various platforms dropped Trumps there have been threats made that were not being made beforehand, and those are threats to cause harm to people or property not just threats to leave the network (which is generally what people threatened after the other recent scandals like CA). Those threats are probably just idiots sounding off and will never come to anything, but given recent events being careful just-in-case is quite prudent. An idiot sounding off can easily turn into an idiot taking action.