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The recent presidential race was won by extremely narrow margins with a few cities (Atlanta, Philadelphia, Phoenix, etc) effectively determining the outcome. G

by cudgy 6y ago

The recent presidential race was won by extremely narrow margins with a few cities (Atlanta, Philadelphia, Phoenix, etc) effectively determining the outcome. Given that, why does the fraud have to be widespread and systematic in order to be valid? Also, why silence or dismiss even the smallest amount of fraud? It definitely matters regardless of which party/politician benefits.

alkonaut 6y ago
The thousands of votes required would require more than isolated cases of individual voter fraud at least. I’d say several thousand in a single state is both widespread and symptomatic. And importanly there are no indications of that.
- cudgy 6y ago
  So, ignore evidence of fraud (including eyewitness testimony from dozens of witnesses sworn under oath) because you and others summarily deem it not widespread or systematic? However, Congress spends years investigating sketchy, anonymous claims about Russian interference in 2016 elections?
  - alkonaut 6y ago
    > So, ignore evidence of fraud Who is ignoring evidence? Courts? > because you and others summarily deem it not widespread or systematic "and others" includes every court presented with such evidence. As luck would have it, those weren't courts that could be said to be exactly "hostile" to the administration either. That would have been problematic. I'm not trying to claim there is no substantial evidence of fraud. Anyone who has that evidence is free to present it in legal processes. If it has any merit, there could even be a case. There has been no such examples. That means either a) there was no significant fraud, b) there was fraud but it left no evidence, or c) there was both fraud and evidence but courts across the country rejected it because they are hostile to the administration. Which one do you suggest happened? Or put more clearly: what should happen before you believe a)?
  - mattr47 6y ago
    Not one eye witness has been in, under oath, in front of a US Federal Judge and claimed they saw voter fraud. It has all been in hotel conference rooms. When the judge has asked for evidence they essentially get a shrug of the shoulders from Rudy G.
pas 6y ago
There has been recounts and recounts. 50+ lawsuits, zero evidence. I mean ... it's surprising that Clown Rudy Esq. had not manged to catch even one unfortunate voter doing something stupid. (Eg. accidentally voting at two places to make sure, etc.)
jjeaff 6y ago
Actually, the margins weren't that small except for in Georgia and Nevada. And no, it wasn't down to those cities. Those cities voted about the same as they did in the last election. What changed was the white suburbs. They flipped just enough. Interestingly though, the white suburbs were not the target of accusation of cheating. I wonder why...

by cudgy 6y ago

alkonaut 6y ago

The thousands of votes required would require more than isolated cases of individual voter fraud at least. I’d say several thousand in a single state is both widespread and symptomatic. And importanly there are no indications of that.

cudgy 6y ago
So, ignore evidence of fraud (including eyewitness testimony from dozens of witnesses sworn under oath) because you and others summarily deem it not widespread or systematic? However, Congress spends years investigating sketchy, anonymous claims about Russian interference in 2016 elections?
- alkonaut 6y ago
  > So, ignore evidence of fraud Who is ignoring evidence? Courts? > because you and others summarily deem it not widespread or systematic "and others" includes every court presented with such evidence. As luck would have it, those weren't courts that could be said to be exactly "hostile" to the administration either. That would have been problematic. I'm not trying to claim there is no substantial evidence of fraud. Anyone who has that evidence is free to present it in legal processes. If it has any merit, there could even be a case. There has been no such examples. That means either a) there was no significant fraud, b) there was fraud but it left no evidence, or c) there was both fraud and evidence but courts across the country rejected it because they are hostile to the administration. Which one do you suggest happened? Or put more clearly: what should happen before you believe a)?
- mattr47 6y ago
  Not one eye witness has been in, under oath, in front of a US Federal Judge and claimed they saw voter fraud. It has all been in hotel conference rooms. When the judge has asked for evidence they essentially get a shrug of the shoulders from Rudy G.

pas 6y ago

There has been recounts and recounts. 50+ lawsuits, zero evidence. I mean ... it's surprising that Clown Rudy Esq. had not manged to catch even one unfortunate voter doing something stupid. (Eg. accidentally voting at two places to make sure, etc.)

jjeaff 6y ago

Actually, the margins weren't that small except for in Georgia and Nevada. And no, it wasn't down to those cities. Those cities voted about the same as they did in the last election. What changed was the white suburbs. They flipped just enough. Interestingly though, the white suburbs were not the target of accusation of cheating. I wonder why...