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I am all for censoring fascists

by dmode 6y ago

shripadk 6y ago
This is the exact thing a fascist would say. A liberal would never say this. If you want to censor someone's speech just because you don't agree with them, congratulations you are already a fascist.
hedberg10 6y ago
I declare you to be a fascist and ban you. You may protest at spam@hedberg10.com
- zuminator 6y ago
  I completely support your right to deem people fascist at a whim and ban them from your web properties.
  - peytn 6y ago
    The situation is considerably more complex with Amazon. For one, hedberg10 stands to gain little from terminating business relationships with political opponents of the incoming administration. Amazon does. I’m not sure my right to be able to buy eBooks from a variety of suppliers in a competitive market is being given due protection.
  - ralusek 6y ago
    And what about when those web properties are monopolies? What about when those monopolies regularly collude in broad daylight so as to lock out persons and companies from being able to host products in marketplaces, infrastructure, and even process payments or access banking?
- dmode 6y ago
  If I have done activity that deems I am a fascist based on a corporations policy, that's totally fine. Don't see a problem with that. Unless you think ISIS should also exist on Twitter promoting their beheading video series
babesh 6y ago
“ First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me”
- pjc50 6y ago
  Who's the they in this poem? The Nazis, right? If only somebody had "come for" the Nazis before millions of people got killed. You can't cite Niemoller in the defence of fascists.
  - traveler01 6y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... The poem literally speaks against their kind and a quick google search could save you the embarrassment.
    - babesh 6y ago
      If you believe Mark Zuckerberg is a saint.
- dmode 6y ago
  Problem is, no-one came for the Nazis, and nobody "blocked" their propaganda
nwienert 6y ago
You’ll get buried with a low-effort comment like this, but one thing to think about: this is the exact position fascists take. Give it a good thought: fascists wouldn’t label themselves as such. They will of course call themselves decent democratic socialists, and do it in the name of decent socialist values. So to even try and make your point you’d need to back it up with: how would you ensure wolfs-in-sheep’s-clothing or the-well-intentioned-but-overreactive don’t use your “censor fascists” support to back door their way into the only world superpower with strong free speech laws and, well, end those? And when a couple social networks have a vast majority of the users (social networks are literally network-effects) how is censorship on them not akin to a massive balance of power disparity that would reinforce itself? By the same logic of supporting banning voices from then you must admit they embody incredible power, even if they are private companies.
ralusek 6y ago
Ya, we know. It's just that the people capable of extrapolating understand that those in charge of this "fascist" label are exactly the people least interested in its usage in good faith. Free speech isn't a utopian ideal; most liberal ideals aren't. It is a principle that understands that the bad that comes from freedom of speech is completely outclassed by the bad that comes from opening up the capability to restrict it.

I am all for censoring fascists

by dmode 6y ago

I am all for censoring fascists

This is the exact thing a fascist would say. A liberal would never say this. If you want to censor someone's speech just because you don't agree with them, congratulations you are already a fascist.

hedberg10 6y ago

I declare you to be a fascist and ban you. You may protest at spam@hedberg10.com

zuminator 6y ago
I completely support your right to deem people fascist at a whim and ban them from your web properties.
- peytn 6y ago
  The situation is considerably more complex with Amazon. For one, hedberg10 stands to gain little from terminating business relationships with political opponents of the incoming administration. Amazon does. I’m not sure my right to be able to buy eBooks from a variety of suppliers in a competitive market is being given due protection.
- ralusek 6y ago
  And what about when those web properties are monopolies? What about when those monopolies regularly collude in broad daylight so as to lock out persons and companies from being able to host products in marketplaces, infrastructure, and even process payments or access banking?
dmode 6y ago
If I have done activity that deems I am a fascist based on a corporations policy, that's totally fine. Don't see a problem with that. Unless you think ISIS should also exist on Twitter promoting their beheading video series

babesh 6y ago

“ First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me”

pjc50 6y ago
Who's the they in this poem? The Nazis, right? If only somebody had "come for" the Nazis before millions of people got killed. You can't cite Niemoller in the defence of fascists.
- traveler01 6y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_... The poem literally speaks against their kind and a quick google search could save you the embarrassment.
  - babesh 6y ago
    If you believe Mark Zuckerberg is a saint.
dmode 6y ago
Problem is, no-one came for the Nazis, and nobody "blocked" their propaganda

nwienert 6y ago

You’ll get buried with a low-effort comment like this, but one thing to think about: this is the exact position fascists take. Give it a good thought: fascists wouldn’t label themselves as such. They will of course call themselves decent democratic socialists, and do it in the name of decent socialist values. So to even try and make your point you’d need to back it up with: how would you ensure wolfs-in-sheep’s-clothing or the-well-intentioned-but-overreactive don’t use your “censor fascists” support to back door their way into the only world superpower with strong free speech laws and, well, end those? And when a couple social networks have a vast majority of the users (social networks are literally network-effects) how is censorship on them not akin to a massive balance of power disparity that would reinforce itself? By the same logic of supporting banning voices from then you must admit they embody incredible power, even if they are private companies.

ralusek 6y ago

Ya, we know. It's just that the people capable of extrapolating understand that those in charge of this "fascist" label are exactly the people least interested in its usage in good faith. Free speech isn't a utopian ideal; most liberal ideals aren't. It is a principle that understands that the bad that comes from freedom of speech is completely outclassed by the bad that comes from opening up the capability to restrict it.