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That's definitely not whataboutism. And you did nothing to address his point. Iirc, the judges and authorities and experts in Venezuela supported Maduro. Guai

That's definitely not whataboutism. And you did nothing to address his point. Iirc, the judges and authorities and experts in Venezuela supported Maduro. Guaido nonetheless had a case and it would be wrong for a random tech company to decide if he should be deplatformed. >actual doubt and irregularities Again, who says what is ACTUAL doubt and irregularities? Cause I kind of don't want it to be the crowd or twitter/facebook.

alkonaut 6y ago
> the judges and authorities and experts in Venezuela supported Maduro If those were generally thought to be independent (as judged by other institutions e.g. internationally... there is no final arbiter here! It's turtles all the way down) then that would make a big difference. But they aren't. This is a pretty easy thing to see subjectively. I think the mistake here is believing that a) There could be a rigid objective framework for how this should work. A simple "manual" for how companies should act in these situations instead of having to rely on subjective or biased decisions. or b) In the absence of such a framework, companies must instead never take any action because it risks being arbitrary/subjective/... That's clearly not going to happen. a) isn't possible yet b) is absolutely not desireable.
- istinetz 6y ago
  >it's turtles all the way down so you can see how people might disagree with you on whether someone is independent/reliable/etc. >a) isn't possible. Sure it is. "You deplatform someone after court order", or "you deplatform someone after measuring public opinion".These algorithms are just illustrative, before someone starts to point out why they're bad. I just want objectivity and symmetry. Because I've seen far too many people do mental gymnastics and apply double standards when it comes to "our side" and "their side". >b) is absolutely not desirable. it is desirable for me. When it comes to politics, I'd prefer if everyone had a voice, even if you or I disagreed with them on a fundamental level.
  - LoSboccacc 6y ago
    Especially since the timing strongly suggest they are just changing whom they sycophant for, following the change of power, and we might very we'll be in a position of not liking whom goes to power next; assuming these company allegiance is to the just side and not to the side with power is quite naive and the questioning of their role in society legitimate.

alkonaut 6y ago

> the judges and authorities and experts in Venezuela supported Maduro If those were generally thought to be independent (as judged by other institutions e.g. internationally... there is no final arbiter here! It's turtles all the way down) then that would make a big difference. But they aren't. This is a pretty easy thing to see subjectively. I think the mistake here is believing that a) There could be a rigid objective framework for how this should work. A simple "manual" for how companies should act in these situations instead of having to rely on subjective or biased decisions. or b) In the absence of such a framework, companies must instead never take any action because it risks being arbitrary/subjective/... That's clearly not going to happen. a) isn't possible yet b) is absolutely not desireable.

istinetz 6y ago
>it's turtles all the way down so you can see how people might disagree with you on whether someone is independent/reliable/etc. >a) isn't possible. Sure it is. "You deplatform someone after court order", or "you deplatform someone after measuring public opinion".These algorithms are just illustrative, before someone starts to point out why they're bad. I just want objectivity and symmetry. Because I've seen far too many people do mental gymnastics and apply double standards when it comes to "our side" and "their side". >b) is absolutely not desirable. it is desirable for me. When it comes to politics, I'd prefer if everyone had a voice, even if you or I disagreed with them on a fundamental level.
- LoSboccacc 6y ago
  Especially since the timing strongly suggest they are just changing whom they sycophant for, following the change of power, and we might very we'll be in a position of not liking whom goes to power next; assuming these company allegiance is to the just side and not to the side with power is quite naive and the questioning of their role in society legitimate.