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There would be no need to leave, and no need to destroy or enslave humans using force, either. A human is a very advanced and versatile work unit that is extrem

by bserge 6y ago

There would be no need to leave, and no need to destroy or enslave humans using force, either. A human is a very advanced and versatile work unit that is extremely susceptible to control via simple rewards. It would be a terrible waste to destroy such a resource. In fact, it would make more sense to advance medicine and robotics to the point where everyone can operate at near 100% efficiency. The more likely scenario (continued from yours, before the CyberX part) would likely be that all humans would eventually end up working for the AI and possibly not even know it. And then everyone moves on to space heh

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
Could be. OTOH everything what makes us what we are, what we evolved in, is more or less a hassle for machines which could build/repair/replicate themselves, and adapt to the environment of space. Which we can't, except by some vague means of transhumanism. Which opens another can of worms, regarding "what makes us us? And to which degree a transhuman would even be human, anymore?
- bserge 6y ago
  I guess it depends on whether it would be easier to create life support systems for human workers or build robots for the job. As for what makes us human, I'd draw the line at "individual thought", but even that's iffy. Fully electromechanical/robotic bodies, for example, would be strange but people would still recognize you for who you are. But if we're joined in a hive mind with shared memories/thoughts/etc, I think that would qualify as "not human anymore". Unless there's multiple of these hiveminds, in that case it would be more like a bunch of "super" humans. The next evolution, maybe. There are many cases where people's personality changes, sometimes drastically. Their friends and relatives don't recognize them anymore (brain damage, severe depression, drug abuse), or they don't recognize anyone around (amnesia). Does that stop them from being human? I think most people agree they're different, but still very much human.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
    Personality changes as described don't really matter IMO, because broken. Regardless if machine or man. Does not work as intended anymore, or at all.
    - bserge 6y ago
      Well then you'd need to define "normal" and that's not easy because everyone is different. It can even be dangerous. Easy example: some people (still) define having a different religion or being gay as "broken". People that go through depression, suicide thoughts/attempts and then recover are also different, because they gained new information.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
        I didn't mean that in a personal way, more like zoomed out, trying to see the whole system/species. ...because they gained new information. Tell me all about it. Had a near death/out-of-body experience 20 years ago. It's engrained/burned in so hard, that I guess even a lobotomy wouldn't erase it ;->

by bserge 6y ago

LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago

Could be. OTOH everything what makes us what we are, what we evolved in, is more or less a hassle for machines which could build/repair/replicate themselves, and adapt to the environment of space. Which we can't, except by some vague means of transhumanism. Which opens another can of worms, regarding "what makes us us? And to which degree a transhuman would even be human, anymore?

bserge 6y ago
I guess it depends on whether it would be easier to create life support systems for human workers or build robots for the job. As for what makes us human, I'd draw the line at "individual thought", but even that's iffy. Fully electromechanical/robotic bodies, for example, would be strange but people would still recognize you for who you are. But if we're joined in a hive mind with shared memories/thoughts/etc, I think that would qualify as "not human anymore". Unless there's multiple of these hiveminds, in that case it would be more like a bunch of "super" humans. The next evolution, maybe. There are many cases where people's personality changes, sometimes drastically. Their friends and relatives don't recognize them anymore (brain damage, severe depression, drug abuse), or they don't recognize anyone around (amnesia). Does that stop them from being human? I think most people agree they're different, but still very much human.
- LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
  Personality changes as described don't really matter IMO, because broken. Regardless if machine or man. Does not work as intended anymore, or at all.
  - bserge 6y ago
    Well then you'd need to define "normal" and that's not easy because everyone is different. It can even be dangerous. Easy example: some people (still) define having a different religion or being gay as "broken". People that go through depression, suicide thoughts/attempts and then recover are also different, because they gained new information.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 6y ago
      I didn't mean that in a personal way, more like zoomed out, trying to see the whole system/species. ...because they gained new information. Tell me all about it. Had a near death/out-of-body experience 20 years ago. It's engrained/burned in so hard, that I guess even a lobotomy wouldn't erase it ;->