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To people that invest into the cloud ecosystems, do you not use one of those agnostic frameworks (educate me) so you can easily drop your stack onto azure or an

To people that invest into the cloud ecosystems, do you not use one of those agnostic frameworks (educate me) so you can easily drop your stack onto azure or anywhere else? What if you want to shift it all off the cloud, can you still mimic the infrastructure on a vps? I thought that’s what stuff like serverless allowed? Feels like this something we should be able to do, no? All this talk about WASM to make portable code, but Parler cannot even just move their shit to another server? There has to be a abstract layer that lets you leverage anything with a unified api across aws/google/azure/etc. Why in god’s name are we directly tying our shit to one provider?

sverhagen 6y ago
These abstractions come at a price that a startup may not have wanted to pay. The cloud providers are also constantly pulling you into their specific solutions. Even if they kept it pretty neutral, if you've never deployed to the other cloud, it will likely still constitute a non-trivial amount of effort. I think I've seen a screenshot somewhere of Parler saying they'd be back in a week or so. Maybe that's fake, maybe that's them doing the work to deploy to the other cloud, maybe that's the time they expect they need for ligation, maybe it's all horses at once. Also, what at this point are their chances of the next provider to kick them out too?
- runawaybottle 6y ago
  I feel like if we had the abstract layer that people leverage with the worst case fallback being any random vps provider, we should be ok. The worst case fallback won’t give you the as-needed pay as you go infrastructure, but your code won’t need to change. Do frameworks like this not exist at all? Look, if 4chan can be hosted somewhere, your site can be hosted somewhere lol. No need to cry and sue Amazon, this should be solved at the tech level. 4chan dealt with every scenario under the sun, and they made the adjustments and is still here, and no one is able to take it down. We cannot sit here and act like it can’t be done because the Titans are preventing it. It’s just not true, we have to simply get better about this. No excuses.
  - sverhagen 6y ago
    In retrospect they may wish they'd prioritized a multi-cloud strategy, but you can only spend each Engineering dollar once, right? Moving things to another server is not the problem. Moving a constellation of things around, more so. It's hard to configure resources in the cloud providers in an agnostic way. Something like Terraform gives you a unified language, but the specific code is still going to be different for each. I didn't follow the 4chan thing well, but weren't they also down for a while? Edit: my bad, that was 8chan, who went offline for three months in 2019, as per Wikipedia.
kilroy123 6y ago
That was my very first thought. This was always a very controversial site/app. They didn't plan for this to happen? Why weren't they prepared for this? I get the feeling the people behind it were a bit incompetent and really only in it for money. Not true believers of free speech.

sverhagen 6y ago

These abstractions come at a price that a startup may not have wanted to pay. The cloud providers are also constantly pulling you into their specific solutions. Even if they kept it pretty neutral, if you've never deployed to the other cloud, it will likely still constitute a non-trivial amount of effort. I think I've seen a screenshot somewhere of Parler saying they'd be back in a week or so. Maybe that's fake, maybe that's them doing the work to deploy to the other cloud, maybe that's the time they expect they need for ligation, maybe it's all horses at once. Also, what at this point are their chances of the next provider to kick them out too?

runawaybottle 6y ago
I feel like if we had the abstract layer that people leverage with the worst case fallback being any random vps provider, we should be ok. The worst case fallback won’t give you the as-needed pay as you go infrastructure, but your code won’t need to change. Do frameworks like this not exist at all? Look, if 4chan can be hosted somewhere, your site can be hosted somewhere lol. No need to cry and sue Amazon, this should be solved at the tech level. 4chan dealt with every scenario under the sun, and they made the adjustments and is still here, and no one is able to take it down. We cannot sit here and act like it can’t be done because the Titans are preventing it. It’s just not true, we have to simply get better about this. No excuses.
- sverhagen 6y ago
  In retrospect they may wish they'd prioritized a multi-cloud strategy, but you can only spend each Engineering dollar once, right? Moving things to another server is not the problem. Moving a constellation of things around, more so. It's hard to configure resources in the cloud providers in an agnostic way. Something like Terraform gives you a unified language, but the specific code is still going to be different for each. I didn't follow the 4chan thing well, but weren't they also down for a while? Edit: my bad, that was 8chan, who went offline for three months in 2019, as per Wikipedia.

kilroy123 6y ago

That was my very first thought. This was always a very controversial site/app. They didn't plan for this to happen? Why weren't they prepared for this? I get the feeling the people behind it were a bit incompetent and really only in it for money. Not true believers of free speech.