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Sure, like he called BLM protestors "thugs" and the movement a terrorist organization to calm things down. He's not being diplomatic, that's not a thing he doe

by croon 6y ago

Sure, like he called BLM protestors "thugs" and the movement a terrorist organization to calm things down. He's not being diplomatic, that's not a thing he does. He likes things that benefits him, and condemns all things that don't. It's amazing that people can still with a straight face make these kinds of excuses for him. "I know your pain, I know your hurt" "great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long." "These Anarchists, not protesters" "Disgraceful. Never seen anything like it. Thugs." "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" "domestic acts of terror." I'll leave it up to you to guess whom he's addressing in each quote.

aww_dang 6y ago
Try to stick to one topic at a time. We are attempting to discuss a very narrow claim about incitement of the Capitol Building riot. I'm having difficulty understanding how your comment relates to mine. If you would like to debate the merits of Trump's persona, you'll have to find someone else. I'm absolutely not claiming that he is above criticism. However, that doesn't relate at all to the specifics of what I've said here. RE: your edits Yes, he also condemned the injustice surrounding police abuse. You are cherry picking, or perhaps viewing things through the lens of a partisan media.
- croon 6y ago
  > Empathizing with someone and addressing their concerns is a textbook opener. It is not the same as condoning their choice of actions. I was responding to that. That's how it relates. I proved that he condoned the actions through a comparison. Re your edit: How is it cherry picking because I chose quotes relevant to my post?
  - aww_dang 6y ago
    Sorry, I don't see how anything you've said 'proves' that Trump's post-hoc statement condoned, much less incited the actions of the violent minority within the protest. In regards to the separate topic of the BLM protests, you could've presented quotes such as this: "All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration is fully committed that for George and his family, justice will be served. He will not have died in vain. But we cannot allow the righteous cries and peaceful protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob. The biggest victims of the rioting are peace-loving citizens in our poorest communities. And as their president, I will fight to keep them safe. I will fight to protect you. I am your president of law and order, and an ally of all peaceful protesters." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-trump-mobilize-federal-resources-stop-violence-restore/story?id=71008802 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-trump-mobilize-fe... Instead you cherry picked to present a narrative that fits your argument.
    - croon 6y ago
      I'm not surprised that he's read a prepared measured speech. What I haven't seen, and I would love to see "cherry picked" is the rhetoric I posted but reversed between the two groups. I'll make a bet and say that that's never happened. Which brings us back around to; he's condoning the specific group storming the capitol, while fast and loose condemning every unruly edge case of the BLM movement.
      - aww_dang 6y ago
        "...you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt." Sounds consistent. Peaceful protest, yes. Violence, destruction of property, no.
        croon 6y ago
        That is during the capitol assault. Which is explicitly why he isn't consistent. Where are the "thugs", "terrorists", "anarchists", etc? He's never hesitated to use those terms before. It took him a full two days to condemn the events in Charlottesville. And he didn't call it terrorism. Because it was "his" side.
        aww_dang 6y ago
        And now you want to turn the topic onto Charlottesville, where he explicitly condemned the violence and extremists. "To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America." "Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America." "I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem." "The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay." You've no issue quoting the prepared statement asking Capitol Building protesters to go home. Yet you take issue with a prepared statement about George Floyd. I'll agree that consistency is important here. This flavor of hyperpartisanship is part of the problem. There's very little you can change about Trump's supporters. Even less if you take an extreme partisan approach. This only contributes to the toxicity. https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remarks-transcript/ https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remar... https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-concedes-election-condemns-rioters-video-transcript-january-7 https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-concedes-e...

by croon 6y ago

aww_dang 6y ago

Try to stick to one topic at a time. We are attempting to discuss a very narrow claim about incitement of the Capitol Building riot. I'm having difficulty understanding how your comment relates to mine. If you would like to debate the merits of Trump's persona, you'll have to find someone else. I'm absolutely not claiming that he is above criticism. However, that doesn't relate at all to the specifics of what I've said here. RE: your edits Yes, he also condemned the injustice surrounding police abuse. You are cherry picking, or perhaps viewing things through the lens of a partisan media.

croon 6y ago
> Empathizing with someone and addressing their concerns is a textbook opener. It is not the same as condoning their choice of actions. I was responding to that. That's how it relates. I proved that he condoned the actions through a comparison. Re your edit: How is it cherry picking because I chose quotes relevant to my post?
- aww_dang 6y ago
  Sorry, I don't see how anything you've said 'proves' that Trump's post-hoc statement condoned, much less incited the actions of the violent minority within the protest. In regards to the separate topic of the BLM protests, you could've presented quotes such as this: "All Americans were rightly sickened and revolted by the brutal death of George Floyd. My administration is fully committed that for George and his family, justice will be served. He will not have died in vain. But we cannot allow the righteous cries and peaceful protesters to be drowned out by an angry mob. The biggest victims of the rioting are peace-loving citizens in our poorest communities. And as their president, I will fight to keep them safe. I will fight to protect you. I am your president of law and order, and an ally of all peaceful protesters." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-trump-mobilize-federal-resources-stop-violence-restore/story?id=71008802 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-trump-mobilize-fe... Instead you cherry picked to present a narrative that fits your argument.
  - croon 6y ago
    I'm not surprised that he's read a prepared measured speech. What I haven't seen, and I would love to see "cherry picked" is the rhetoric I posted but reversed between the two groups. I'll make a bet and say that that's never happened. Which brings us back around to; he's condoning the specific group storming the capitol, while fast and loose condemning every unruly edge case of the BLM movement.
    - aww_dang 6y ago
      "...you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt." Sounds consistent. Peaceful protest, yes. Violence, destruction of property, no.
      - croon 6y ago
        That is during the capitol assault. Which is explicitly why he isn't consistent. Where are the "thugs", "terrorists", "anarchists", etc? He's never hesitated to use those terms before. It took him a full two days to condemn the events in Charlottesville. And he didn't call it terrorism. Because it was "his" side.
        aww_dang 6y ago
        And now you want to turn the topic onto Charlottesville, where he explicitly condemned the violence and extremists. "To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend’s racist violence, you will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered. As I said on Saturday, we condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence. It has no place in America." "Those who spread violence in the name of bigotry strike at the very core of America." "I would like to begin by addressing the heinous attack on the United States Capitol. Like all Americans, I am outraged by the violence, lawlessness and mayhem." "The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. To those who engaged in the acts of violence and destruction, you do not represent our country. And to those who broke the law, you will pay." You've no issue quoting the prepared statement asking Capitol Building protesters to go home. Yet you take issue with a prepared statement about George Floyd. I'll agree that consistency is important here. This flavor of hyperpartisanship is part of the problem. There's very little you can change about Trump's supporters. Even less if you take an extreme partisan approach. This only contributes to the toxicity. https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remarks-transcript/ https://time.com/4899813/donald-trump-charlottes-ville-remar... https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-concedes-election-condemns-rioters-video-transcript-january-7 https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-concedes-e...