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X11 is a keylogger, for one. Network transparency is a vulnerability, not a feature.

by zelly 6y ago

getitstraight 6y ago
Yes, and Wayland is a pile of shit, so what's your point? Xorg has this one problem, Wayland has countless problems. Xorg is stable and proven for decades; Wayland has been incomplete and buggy for decades. I don't run Wayland, PulseAudio, DBUS, or SystemDumpsterFire on my system, and don't miss any of them. I don't run strange binary code on my system either, so keyloggers aren't really a concern. I find it ironic that people who routinely shovel foreign binary code onto their system (even automatically downloading and installing it, no less) from untrusted and untrustworthy third parties, are so all-fired concerned about these trifling imagined Xorg security problems.
znpy 6y ago
Oh shut up.
- selfhoster11 6y ago
  > Be kind. Don't be snarky. (...) Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please, let's not reduce the level of discussion over here. Let's keep this respectful. I have deliberately chosen to keep my answer to the OP on point, even though I disagree just as strongly.
- dang 6y ago
  Please don't do this here. We ban accounts that post like this, and have had to ask you not to before. I'm not going to ban you because you've mostly been posting good comments lately, which is cool. But comments like this do more damage than good comments add value, so please don't do that anymore. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, we'd be grateful.
selfhoster11 6y ago
Network transparency is definitely a feature. I can't count the number of times when X forwarding was an extremely convenient feature to have.
icedchai 6y ago
Back in the 90's, some machines shipped with X authentication disabled, open to the world (SGI IRIX 5.x was one of these.) Back then, few people used firewalls. X11 keyboard sniffing was very common in some circles.

X11 is a keylogger, for one. Network transparency is a vulnerability, not a feature.

by zelly 6y ago

X11 is a keylogger, for one. Network transparency is a vulnerability, not a feature.

Yes, and Wayland is a pile of shit, so what's your point? Xorg has this one problem, Wayland has countless problems. Xorg is stable and proven for decades; Wayland has been incomplete and buggy for decades. I don't run Wayland, PulseAudio, DBUS, or SystemDumpsterFire on my system, and don't miss any of them. I don't run strange binary code on my system either, so keyloggers aren't really a concern. I find it ironic that people who routinely shovel foreign binary code onto their system (even automatically downloading and installing it, no less) from untrusted and untrustworthy third parties, are so all-fired concerned about these trifling imagined Xorg security problems.

znpy 6y ago

Oh shut up.

selfhoster11 6y ago
> Be kind. Don't be snarky. (...) Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. - https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please, let's not reduce the level of discussion over here. Let's keep this respectful. I have deliberately chosen to keep my answer to the OP on point, even though I disagree just as strongly.
dang 6y ago
Please don't do this here. We ban accounts that post like this, and have had to ask you not to before. I'm not going to ban you because you've mostly been posting good comments lately, which is cool. But comments like this do more damage than good comments add value, so please don't do that anymore. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, we'd be grateful.

selfhoster11 6y ago

Network transparency is definitely a feature. I can't count the number of times when X forwarding was an extremely convenient feature to have.

icedchai 6y ago

Back in the 90's, some machines shipped with X authentication disabled, open to the world (SGI IRIX 5.x was one of these.) Back then, few people used firewalls. X11 keyboard sniffing was very common in some circles.